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    5 Replies Latest reply on Dec 22, 2007 9:27 PM by LUCKIEST

    Starting a second business (same partners)

    LUCKIEST Guide
      My partner and I are running a production company now. We want to start a second business.
      This second company will hire artists and do sound work.
      We will be contracting work between both companies.
      My question is, are these services tax deductible between both businesses since my partner
      and I own both businesses?? How do we set up this scenario??
      Thanking you in advance for time and your suggestions.
        • Re: Starting a second business (same partners)
          SCORE108 Wayfarer
          Do you have a good business reason for starting a second business? I ask this because you could perform all of these services as one business. This would eliminate the need for billing for services between tow companies. If your partner and you will have different ownership percentages in each business you could adjust the profit split in one business for this difference or this may be a reason for a second business. If you have two businesses the services between the two would be income to one and a deduction to the other. Be sure you bill the services a market value and not to shilt income from one to the other.
          • Re: Starting a second business (same partners)
            Score133 Adventurer
            Any time you hire a company to work for a company you own, it is a legitimate business expense (duh) regardless of who owns the other company. The only time you'll have trouble is if you have not completely segregated the two companies from a legal and financial perspective. The benefits of owning another company and hiring it to do business for another of your companies are many, especially if you plan on growing both businesses in different directions. If both companies are providing similar services and will grow in the same direction, you may want to rethink it strictly from a paperwork standpoint. (It's not like Red Lobster gets in the way of Olive Garden; both owned by the same folks.) A good CPA will be your best resource for the segregation of funds and the setting up of books that are accurate and easy to differentiate. Good luck!
            • Re: Starting a second business (same partners)
              KarateKid Newbie
              You'll need to legally structure your businesses accordingly. I believe you can consider the option of setting up a parent company and then have the other companies under it.
              • Re: Starting a second business (same partners)
                instance Wayfarer

                Well, legally, it does not matter how many companies you own because each company is a separate entity, like they are different people.

                You can have Company A that owns 50% of company B and your partner the other 50%, you can have Company A owned by you and your partner, owning company B in a 100%. Or you can both own Company B independtly from Company A.

                Companies are pretty much like people, they can open other companies, they can rent a house, they can borrow money, lend money, they are separate legal entities. You can also have Company A doing business with three different names offering the same service or different services to target different markets.

                Hope it helps! Merry Christmas!!
                  • Re: Starting a second business (same partners)
                    LUCKIEST Guide
                    Also by SCORE
                    h3. 6 Steps to Small Business Success

                    1. Start Smart
                    2. Plan Ahead
                    3. Set up Systems
                    4. Seek out Sales
                    5. Aim for Growth
                    6. Leverage Opportunities



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                    for what makes your product or service unique and adds a special value
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                    meaning to you. Keep in mind that we don't know what the future holds,
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                    Now is the time to dream. To start smart, you should like the idea of
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                    than filling a need in the marketplace. To succeed you want to test the
                    idea to make sure your potential clients like the idea too. Test your

                    2. Plan Ahead.
                    People often ask me why bother with a business plan? Look at the
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                    The first rule of a start-up is put some of your own money in the
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                    Don't go it alone. Plan ahead now to build your team. Your team may
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                    by building a success, support team that can help you plan ahead.

                    3. Set up Systems.
                    The most basic system every business should have is a good financial
                    system. Ask yourself how am I going to generate enough income to
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                    the business budget and sales planning, so you can see how many sales
                    you need to break even and make a profit. The start-up expense plan,
                    operating budget and your accounting software are vital to your



                    4. Seek out Sales.
                    The daunting question is how do you go about seeking out your first
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                    know. Yes, it's okay to start with friends and family as your first
                    customers, and then broaden from there.



                    5. Aim for Growth.
                    The basic tenant of creating a company is that you own the company. You
                    are not just creating a job for yourself. It's less risk and less
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                    want the company to be in terms of sales, net profit and employees?
                    Your answer to each of these questions will influence how you grow.
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                    important to make a deliberate choice early about how you want to grow
                    your company.


                    6. Leverage Opportunities.
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                    for your business. If something looks great, but it's not in sync with
                    your long-term plan and budget, think carefully before committing your
                    company's resources.