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Click to view tigerente's profile Authority tigerente 21 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
15. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 3, 2008 1:51 PM
in response to: sueellen
Not sure why, but I posted this a bit ago and it never showed up. I was able to find my text though by back clicking on the browser. So if it shows up twice, not my fault! Maybe...:P

I am in seattle. Boston is a little far for me to move to run a place .
Feel free to ask me any qs about running a pet business. I have vet experience as well as retail pet experience too.

I have had a new idea on how to raise funds for my indoor dog park. I could sell my current business when it is time. As in, I have found a space that will work and have concrete plans to advertising and marketing and I have already found potential members. Now the big question is, how much could I sell my dog walking business for realistically? It would come with an exhisiting client base, a doggy transporting subaru station wagon and training of how I run things. And maybe my website if I am in a giving mood.
I gross about $2000 a month and my monthly expenses are $200 for gas, $35 for business insurance, about $20 for supplies (poop bags and tennis balls, etc.) My hours are 11 am to 4pm most days. The hours and schedules are flexible my client base is great (mostly, I might lose one or two people if I sell it off, the rest would understand and be helpfull even).
I could sell it to another dog walker, but they would not need the vehicle probably which I would want to get rid of (the smell will never be the same).

I am so ready for this to happen. It is the height of my third winter doing this and I am getting sick of hosing and toweling 10 wet and muddy dogs every day. I NEED an indoor dog park!
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Aug 6, 2007
16. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 3, 2008 2:04 PM
in response to: tigerente
tiger, naybe this will help. LUCKIEST
h3. 6 Steps to Small Business Success


1. Start Smart
2. Plan Ahead
3. Set up Systems
4. Seek out Sales
5. Aim for Growth
6. Leverage Opportunities


1. Start Smart.
Identify a niche. Don't compete to be the lowest cost provider. Look
for what makes your product or service unique and adds a special value
for the client and charge for that value. Every business has many
facets. Start with what you know and like; start a business that has
meaning to you. Keep in mind that we don't know what the future holds,
many of the jobs and businesses of tomorrow don't exist today. You can
create your own success.


Now is the time to dream. To start smart, you should like the idea of
the business. The way to earn a good income and build wealth is by
serving clients well, making their life better in some way-it's more
than filling a need in the marketplace. To succeed you want to test the
idea to make sure your potential clients like the idea too. Test your
ideas.

2. Plan Ahead.
People often ask me why bother with a business plan? Look at the
lottery as an example. You may get lucky and get the winning ticket,
but the odds are against you when you rely on random chance. I'm a risk
taker...but not that much, minimize the risk of going into business and
maximize your potential for success. Take the time to write a plan of
how you get from point A to point B. A plan gives you a clear future
focus and increases your chances of success.


The first rule of a start-up is put some of your own money in the
business. As the owner you must be willing to capitalize the business.
The second rule is put as little of your own money as possible in the
business. Prepare your plan and look for funding for your business from
multiple sources, which can include a business loan or business line of
credit.


Don't go it alone. Plan ahead now to build your team. Your team may
include a CPA and an attorney that you work with as needed. Add a
mentor from your industry and get a SCORE mentor to help you plan for
success. No one has all the answers. You get more ideas and information
by building a success, support team that can help you plan ahead.

3. Set up Systems.
The most basic system every business should have is a good financial
system. Ask yourself how am I going to generate enough income to
support myself and my family. Begin here. Put together a personal
budget, so you know what it costs you to live. Now, you can move on to
the business budget and sales planning, so you can see how many sales
you need to break even and make a profit. The start-up expense plan,
operating budget and your accounting software are vital to your
success.

4. Seek out Sales.
The daunting question is how do you go about seeking out your first
sale. Recognize that since you don't have a big ad budget to be seen by
everyone, you need to target a niche and get connected in your market
community, be it local, regional or national. You need other people
selling for you-not employees-goodwill referrals. Get out and talk to
as many people as you can. Join organizations that would have clients
for your product or service. Become a visible part of your market, and
then ask for the sale. You begin the sales process with people that you
know. Yes, it's okay to start with friends and family as your first
customers, and then broaden from there.

5. Aim for Growth.
The basic tenant of creating a company is that you own the company. You
are not just creating a job for yourself. It's less risk and less
investment to get a job. Building a business is creating a company that
is more than the job itself. Think about the future. How large do you
want the company to be in terms of sales, net profit and employees?
Your answer to each of these questions will influence how you grow.
There are varying costs and profits associated with growth. It's
important to make a deliberate choice early about how you want to grow
your company.


6. Leverage Opportunities.
Good luck. Good fortune. Good timing. All play a part in business. As a
business owner, be very clear about your core focus for the business
and how it serves clients. Your core business is what pays the bills.
Then, as an entrepreneur you are about opportunity. When you see a
potential opportunity or stroke of luck measure it against your core
business focus. Good fortune is great, when it matches your vision for
the business. Always consider if a good opportunity is the right fit
for your business. If something looks great, but it's not in sync with
your long-term plan and budget, think carefully before committing your
company's resources.

Click to view slavaret's profile Mogul slavaret 78 posts since
Oct 26, 2007
17. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 3, 2008 2:31 PM
As a former dog owner, I like the idea.

From a practical standpoint: dogs need to be walked to relieve themselves. They also like to mark their territory and "check each other out". How would you maintain/clean the indoor facility and how would you convince the landlord that dog excrement inside the building will not be a problem or health hazard?

What city/county/state regulations will apply? What will the neighbors say about the noise and traffic? Paperwork/vaccination requirements...

Just seems to me that a lot depends on your ability to find the right location - something abandoned that nobody else wants that you can turn around to everybody's benefit.
Click to view tigerente's profile Authority tigerente 21 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
18. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 3, 2008 9:31 PM
in response to: slavaret

I have been to quite a few doggy day care places and they all use this special rubberized flooring that is easy to clean and doesn't hold bacteria. It also provides traction for the dogs to run. I would also encourage people to allow their dogs to go potty before entering, and going out for a break if need be. As far as landlords go, I know that anything is allowed for a price ;).
I am planning on opening it in one of the industrial sections near downtown so noise wouldn't be an issue. All owners would be required to show proof of vaccinations and dogs and owners would be on a three strikes your out policy for things like aggression and non compliance of cleaning waste. I would have a person that would supervise and enforce these rules.
I would love to sort of model it after this place if I had a million $$ to get it up and running...
www.ladogworks.com

I have been researching permits that I may need, but have been overwhelmed by the ammount of info out there. I am not sure about where to go to find out exactly what I need. I suppose I will have to contact the city somehow and talk with a real live person, rotflmao!
Click to view slavaret's profile Mogul slavaret 78 posts since
Oct 26, 2007
19. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 3, 2008 10:05 PM
in response to: tigerente
I like the way you sound. I think you have what it takes to pull it off.

I think you need to write things down to make sure you have everything covered and to prioritize. Nothing formal or fancy. It will turn itself into a business plan once the numbers begin to make sense.

I would focus on the numbers to show profitability and talk to as many dog people as possible to guage their interest and/or commitment. When you and your mom feel comfrotable with the numbers, you can set up an LLC or a corporation. With those 2 things in hand (profits and stock) you can start asking ppl for commitment. Profits get people's interest, stock makes it easy to come onboard. It can be an investor, a partner - you never know what/who you'll be able to get.

But I think the bottom line is - you can sell, once ppl feel you've done your homework and the numbers are solid.
Click to view slavaret's profile Mogul slavaret 78 posts since
Oct 26, 2007
20. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 3, 2008 10:09 PM
in response to: slavaret
Forgot to mention: about 15 years ago, there was a company called Discovery Zone that went public. Indoor play grounds for kids - safe, secure, supervised, with sections for different age groups, a food court, etc.

They went bankrupt eventually (took on too much debt) but it goes to show that Wall Street saw enough potential to take them public. That's all you need.
Click to view tigerente's profile Authority tigerente 21 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
21. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 4, 2008 11:21 AM
in response to: slavaret
Discovery zone sounds like this place in the town where I grew up called Tube Time. It was all indoors, kind of like a Mcdonalds play ground, but a lot bigger and bigger kids (and adults) could play in it. You could rent it out and spend the night there. I guess it closed recently after about 15-20 years.
But if I could open a somewhat successfull business for that long, I'd be happy!
Click to view slavaret's profile Mogul slavaret 78 posts since
Oct 26, 2007
22. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 4, 2008 11:26 AM
in response to: tigerente
Right.

It was big and with different sections for different ages. I believe there were several chains. Discovery Zone was the one that managed to go public.
Click to view tigerente's profile Authority tigerente 21 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
23. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 4, 2008 12:35 PM
in response to: slavaret
Forgive me if I sound young and inexperienced (I am :) ) But what is the best way to gauge the publics interest? I have talked to a lot of the dog walkers and dog owners that I know and they are all interested and seem to think it is a good idea, but how can I find out what people would be willing to pay? I know that interest and actually joining are two totally different things. Since there are no other business like this, I can't compare rates like I did when I started dog walking. Should I just ask people bluntly if they would pay $5 or $10 to use an indoor dog park for an afternoon? I know that I would need to sell admissions in daily amounts, weekly, monthly, etc. I just don't know what people would be willing to pay.
I personally would pay about $5 per dog not to have to clean them off after their romps! I would offer discounts to the dog walkers so I know that'd bring in a lot of business.
Should I also ask non-dog owners for their opinions?
Does anybody have any idea of what I should do to try and sell off my dog walking business when the time comes? Is there another area that would be better to ask in?
Click to view slavaret's profile Mogul slavaret 78 posts since
Oct 26, 2007
24. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 4, 2008 1:02 PM
in response to: tigerente
People like to be positive. As long as they don't have to commmit or pay - they will LIKE THE IDEA. Doesn't really mean much. Just being nice.

I would do a one page "survey" with a few simple questions and go around asking dog owners, walkers, vets, shop owners, etc. Just a few simple questions. Something like:

I am reasearching the idea of an indoor dog playground / day care.

1) Do you think it's a good idea? Yes/No. Why/why not?

IF YES:

2) Would you use it? Yes/No. Why/Why not?

IF YES:

3) How far will you be willing to travel to drop off your dog? <5 / 5-10 / 10 - 20 miles?

4) What amenities should be provided? [list several you are thinging off] Anything else?

5) What would be a reasonable daily price for this kind of service? 5/10/15?

6) Anything else? [suggestions, comments]

Something like that. Simple. Don't confuse people with pricing models. Non dog owners probably won't care. They certainly won't pay. Just keep good records. That will be your market servey for the business plan.
Click to view tigerente's profile Authority tigerente 21 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
25. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 4, 2008 1:24 PM
in response to: slavaret
Thank you, that survey is excellent! I should send it to all my clients and see what they say. Of course I don't want to scare them into thinking that I am abandoning them to persue something else! But they would be the type of person that would use the facility. They come home too late from work in the evening to want to take their dog to the dog park. It is already dark and they are tired. But now they would have a safe, temperature controlled environment that they could take their dog to. Very few of my clients have children so their dogs are their babies and most of them would do anything for their pups. Same with all the hundreds of other latchkey dogs I know ;).
Click to view slavaret's profile Mogul slavaret 78 posts since
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26. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 4, 2008 1:42 PM
in response to: tigerente
I'd do it in person. People won't bother to return. Better to fill out the answers yourself. A guy with a clip board in a dog park is not threatening. People will open up. The more people you talk to the more valid the numbers. You can ask some vets if you could servey the lobby while ppl are waiting.
Click to view tigerente's profile Authority tigerente 21 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
27. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 4, 2008 2:20 PM
in response to: slavaret
My clients and I pretty much only correspond by email, so I bet they would return it to me. They are all great helpful people. Most of them have been with me since the beginning of my business. But anywho I printed out a few copies of the survey and I'll take it with me today when I go to the park.
I don't know about the whole hanging out in vet waiting rooms. I could take it to the small local pet shop and ask if I could ask their customers a few questions when they come in! I can also give it to my dog training students too.
Click to view slavaret's profile Mogul slavaret 78 posts since
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28. Re: Starting a new business, based on my current gig Jan 4, 2008 2:27 PM
in response to: tigerente
Hey, whatever works, I am just talking - you are doing the legwork. Would be interesting to see what you get.
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