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Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
15. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 20, 2008 6:17 PM
in response to: Mongoose
Very good.

Unbelievably in spite of the current economy, my business has taken a sudden increase in business.

I know this probably will not last, but I will accept what I can get, and hope my string of luck continues.
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Click to view allcars's profile Mogul allcars 22 posts since
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16. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 21, 2008 2:37 AM
in response to: Mongoose
Ok
Mongoose, and friends;

My site is 23 months from a blank sheet. The unique hits have gone from 0 to 13,000 per month, mostly depending on google, etc. Not much but all the effort so far has been on building content.

For the sake of extending this informative discussion into a more down to earth level, assume that I have had the SEO magic tricks imposed onto my site, what should my real world expectations be.
Frank

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Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
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17. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 21, 2008 4:29 AM
in response to: allcars
Your real world expectations would really depend on what exactly you are trying to do.

Is the end result of your optimization for a sale?

Is it for a sign up?

What exactly are you trying to get your visitors to do?
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Click to view allcars's profile Mogul allcars 22 posts since
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18. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 21, 2008 12:50 PM
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intechspecial

Great questions.

This is a free information site

The biz. plan outline is, 1. Content 2. Marketing (of the site) 3. Capitalization.

Traffic and page views are the next goals. I see the value being in the traffic and content.
Frank

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Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
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19. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 21, 2008 1:10 PM
in response to: allcars

Once again I would have to say this points back to you ability to affectively market and your budget to market.

IF you market effectively, but your content is worth of absolutely no value to the average visitor, you have already lost your battle.

A visitor will make a decision as to if your site is worth staying at within 3-10 seconds. So you home page must be one of the best to work correctly.

So you ask what are realistic expectations of your site, and this must be followed by further questions to be able to understand what specifically you are expecting to happen. Details are important to be able to get the best understanding of what you expect to happen.

One question that might help you in your efforts, rather then to get the public view is this: Do you have a google analytics account?

A google analytics account will help you to decide on what you are doing right or wrong as it gives you in depth views of what your visitors are or are not doing, as well as a ton of other resources. The great thing about a Google analytics account is that it is free, and takes next to nothing to implement.


Please give further details to what exactly you are expecting to happen.

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Click to view allcars's profile Mogul allcars 22 posts since
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20. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 21, 2008 2:14 PM
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intechspecial
Great information. I had just started a google analytics account a few days ago so I will be watching that. I get reasonable ‘unique' traffic increases every month so I am doing some things right, but being better is always good.

The goal of the site http://www.allcarcentral.com/ is as a free automotive research site, not unlike the libraries run by automotive museums. The site visitors now come from all countries.

I presently have a very good existing data base, which is being increased everyday.

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Click to view Mongoose's profile Mogul Mongoose 270 posts since
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21. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 22, 2008 3:04 AM
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AllCars: look through my profile and see my post on 'What SEO isn't', it irks me to see the word 'Magic Trick' appear. It's not a bag of tricks, it's smart content. :) I could hark all day that we can push you 10x the capacity of what you bring in now, but in all honesty, I really don't know. I have no clue what you're about or what your business does, it's area of service, or what kind of people your target audience is, so guessing would just be pulling randomness from the air. Sorry if i seem defensive, i don't mean to be.
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Click to view allcars's profile Mogul allcars 22 posts since
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22. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 22, 2008 3:57 AM
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Mongoose
I am very sorry to have pressed on a tender issue with my reference to ‘SEO magic tricks', I certainly did not mean any disrespect to a field of work that I have little to no understanding of. However in defense, when highly talented people execute their skills, the results can appear to be magical to those of us who are the uninformed.
Frank
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Click to view Mongoose's profile Mogul Mongoose 270 posts since
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23. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 22, 2008 3:05 PM
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AllCars: Touche! Didn't mean it to sound tender or anything, I took no offense. I'm just trying to steer everyone away from the magic rabbits from hat SEO trickery people try to push on unsuspecting business owners, leaving them in the sandbox and doomed from negative press. Here are two posts to read:

http://www.cpashare.com/2008/09/02/made-with-100-real-ppc-how-to-make-easy-money-as-a-seo-consultant/

http://www.cpashare.com/2008/10/18/seo-consultant-fakery-part-ii/

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Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
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24. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 22, 2008 9:28 PM
in response to: Mongoose
These are interesting posts, but I am not so sure I am understanding.

Please excuse my being naive, but your post Mongoose about the links to the SEO article points out how easily it would be for anyone to make a profit even if they have no knowledge of SEO.

I apologize but I am a little lost.
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Click to view Mongoose's profile Mogul Mongoose 270 posts since
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25. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 22, 2008 9:59 PM
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Intech: The posts are to point out the flash-bang magic tricks blackhat SEOs try to pull on you, which is what we're not out to do. Sure you can make profits like this, but it will destroy your reputation in the business world, since no one likes doing business with a weasel.
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Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
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26. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 22, 2008 10:03 PM
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Ok thanks for the clarification.

Black hat tricks will also get you banned from any search engine that finds you have done as such.
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Click to view Mongoose's profile Mogul Mongoose 270 posts since
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27. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 22, 2008 10:07 PM
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Exactly, if you blatantly do these things then google will put you in the sandbox for a long time, dooming your little ventures and wasting all of your effort. Let's see someone make money off of a black-listed site!
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Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
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28. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 22, 2008 10:24 PM
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This is completely and totally correct.

For example if I put the word SEO three hundred times in a row with an H1 tag this is an obvious black hat technique.

I have a funny story about this as well.

I had wrote an article about something that was not the greatest read, but it was an article and not what is considered a black hat technique. A competitor was enfuriated that I passed write by them up to the first page, and reported it as being black hat SEO. Initially this was seen and agreed upon. After I contacted google and told them to take a more in depth at my report, they not only removed this temporary ban, but suddenly my SEO hit the roof! As well, I believe it was filed that the person making the initial complaint was someone that shoud be looked into.


Here is an even funnier one. I heard through the grapevine that the US Trademark and Patent office recieved a complaint. I can only imagine the huge amount of time the Federal Government spent investigating this one.

By this person making such a stink about me and what I was doing, only further assisted me in my efforts, as many agree with me on many levels.

Really funny how someone elses offering you an extreme amount of negativity only helps your efforts. If those that know you on a personal as well as "formal" level understand who you are as an individual, all other complaints and "drama" stirred up will only point back at the source and only further support that I must not be that bad Why else would horrible people are trying to cause me problems? You do not see anyone of good standing and moral ethics responding this way.

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Click to view EagleEye's profile Mogul EagleEye 85 posts since
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29. Re: Search Engine Optimization Nov 30, 2008 2:00 PM
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LOL... I know of one person who did make money even though he was black-listed by Google. JohnChow.com

EagleEye
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