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15. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Nov 15, 2007 6:22 AM
Prepare a written business plan. It is not an easy task, but it is vital to the success of your endeavor.
One of the most important questions the plan will
ask is this: Who are the customers for my product or service.
Too many people attempt to go into business without knowing whom their customer
are or how to find them

Good luck, LUCKIEST
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Nov 25, 2007
16. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Nov 25, 2007 12:21 PM
We advertise in the Yellow Book in several local markets in NJ and have had great success over the past 4 years. To our benefit, there aren't alot of local web design companies purchasing large ads in our region. Our ads have paid for themselves within the first quarter of every year since we began in 2003. As much success as we have had with the printed ads, I would not suggest having it as your only means, there should always be a mix in your campaign (internet, email and print).

Here are a few tips to aid you in your decision:

  • As your sales person to show you the books for the areas that you plan to advertise in and see how many competing companies are also advertising there. Ask for the demographic data (how many businesses, residences, total population, average income)

  • Look at the type of products you are selling and ask yourself, if you were your customer, would you be more likely to look in the yellow pages to buy it? go online? or visit a store in person?
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
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17. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Nov 25, 2007 1:25 PM
in response to: APlusNYC

I think your advice is spot-on, APlusNYC (but then, I'm even older than you!). If the very first place a potential customer would look for a product or service is the phone book, then that business still needs a "yellow pages" type ad. As you noted, however, an increasing number of people are looking elsewhere (on the web, for instance) first -- so directory display ads are becoming less effective. The question posed is a good one for any business to consider -- and reconsider each year.

That's especially true in metro areas, where three different providers may print multiple "yellow page" directories to cover the city and surrounding suburbs, with different "overlaps" in each. Living near a city and county boundary, I've received ten different directories at my home this year. I kept the one that had "extras" (like park trail maps, sports/entertainment venue seating charts, discount coupons, and a separate government listings section) in the house. I put the smallest one in the truck. I recycled the other eight. So any advertiser here is probably only getting a third of the promised exposure (or less) from any one directory -- making it less "worth it."
Click to view BarryHurd's profile Professional BarryHurd 15 posts since
Nov 22, 2007
18. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Nov 25, 2007 1:44 PM
If you are looking for advertising of your personal assistant business, I would not recommend yellow page advertising. I am not aware of any significant categories that would draw this type of client demographic for you (I say that having worked at Verizon Information Services (i.e. yellow pages, Superpages.com) for the past 7+ years.

I would actually refer you to look back at your own niche target of clients. I assume you have a higher percentage of clients in the "busy professionals" categories such as attorneys, real etate, doctors, and executive staff. There are online communities that you can market into with a much higher ROI on your money. For instance Linkedin probably has several "shakers" in your area that have exceptional professional networks. For the cost of a full-page ad you can establish a business partner in your area on Linkedin.

You can also look at working with established community sites in those niches or buying advertising on them. ActiveRain.com has hundreds of agents and brokers in that real estate market, which can be clients themselves or you could further get referral business by working with relocation agents.

I have not seen a business in your industry have a positive ROI with the print product. Even if you want to do business with those directory companies, I would encourage you to look more at the electronic options they have (pay per click, online listings, etc) that have measurable results and no long-term commitment.
Click to view david28078's profile Mogul david28078 64 posts since
Oct 11, 2007
19. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Dec 4, 2007 9:25 AM
in response to: dilyan
Someone else where on a blog said "YP is for old folks" so if your market is older folks then go ahead.

For me - totally and utterly useless

David
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20. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Dec 4, 2007 10:02 AM
$4350 to have a 2" x 2" ad in the Dallas AT&T yellow pages = 1 real potential customer call = ZERO ACTUAL REVENUE DOLLARS. You do the math on the return on investment. In my case it was a HUGE waste of money.
Click to view inspector54's profile Professional inspector54 8 posts since
Dec 9, 2007
21. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Dec 22, 2007 7:32 PM
in response to: dilyan
Join Merchant Circle free advertising and you get to network with the locals,sometime word of mouth ios your best bet.
Bridgte
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Nov 18, 2007
22. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Dec 23, 2007 1:25 AM
in response to: SEO-Expert
Yellow pages - complete waste of funds, unless you are some sort of local, geography limited biz (plumber, pizza joint, etc). Then, do a small ad, but offer a big reward if they visit your website to learn more (hint hint).

SEO - with $0 (zero) funds, I was able to get a variety of top-10 google rankings for my website. No magic, and not a lot of hours, just great content, and properly structured code and tags. Yes, I am a professional webdev, but I do this for my clients as well, as part of the service for building them a great website. No extra fees - it's baked right in.

Sites that are not mine, it can be a little to a lot harder, as one has to deal with the mess left by others to some degree (bad code, bad structure, no CSS, bad content, etc). Hard to give a price without seeing the patient.

Ongoing, none of my clients pay monthly fees- we use pre-paid maintenance accounts, and tweak for SE results as new key phrases are discovered or desired.

See, it's all in the ingredients you to make the soup...

PS: did you know that PIZZA is the only restaurant type that has its own section in the yellow pages? (really!)

Mike
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
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23. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Dec 23, 2007 2:33 AM
in response to: MTCreations

In Austin, the AT&T real Yellow Pages list:
"Barbeque" between "Bar Stools" and "Barber Schools";
"Hamburgers" between "Halls, Auditoriums, & Ballrooms" and "Handwriting Analysts";
"Mexican Food" between "Meters" and "Mexican Goods."
There may be others, but with those and "Pizza," what else does one need?

(Hey, you made me look!)

Click to view MTCreations's profile Mogul MTCreations 82 posts since
Nov 18, 2007
24. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Dec 23, 2007 3:42 AM
in response to: Lighthouse24
That's Texas. I meant in the USA.

(ducking) - LOL

Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
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25. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Dec 23, 2007 12:24 PM
in response to: MTCreations

Yep, "Texas . . . it's like a whole other country."

Remind me, what is Jersey's tourist slogan: "The Toll Booth State" ? (also ducking, LOL)

No wait, now I remember, "New Jersey . . . I got yer freakin' slogan right here, Jack!"

(All in fun, Mike -- have a great day!)

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26. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Dec 25, 2007 10:11 PM
in response to: david28078
What about online yellow pages? Aside from Google and Yahoo Local Search (which are eating the paper yellow pages alive, BTW), there are many local search engines and even ones provided by the phone companies (in NJ, it's SuperPages.com).

Local Search engines are designed not to answer global questions or research the way Google can, but are narrow focused to commerce/businesses needing to advertise in a limited geographic area. The best analogy IS the yellow pages of days gone by, but now on the internet.

The trick is to find local search engines that people in your area actually use - putting up an ad in the middle of the desert does you no good. You can get listed, usually fairly inexpensively, and pay month to month (instead of being locked in for a year). You might even get a simple 'billboard/bizcard' type of web page (I would NOT call it a 'website' - grin) to list basic profile info about you and your biz, including a link to your REAL website - you have one, right?

Mike
Click to view Y Not Mag's profile Professional Y Not Mag 23 posts since
Nov 7, 2007
27. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Jan 1, 2008 5:37 PM
in response to: DealMaker
Thank you Deal Maker. I am in the process of finding the best low cost ways to advertise. I want people to get familiar with the name of my magazine and to advertise the Launch Date for my website. Any other suggestions besides the Yellow Pages? Thank you

Jamila
(Y-Not Magazine)
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28. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Jan 1, 2008 5:49 PM
in response to: Y Not Mag
Y Not Mag. Have you found the best low cost ways to advertise??
What is the name of your magazine and when is the launch date??
LUCKIEST
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29. Re: Advertising in the Yellow Pages/Yellow Book? Worth it? Jan 8, 2008 2:13 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST
I am locked in for a year in the yellow pages.

The ad was different then how they originally stated it would be. They told me I would be place with no other ads on the page, yet they put me inbtween two much bigger, more expensive ads.

The second phone book from the same company mis-typed my phone number in the normal listing. The sales person who was my best friend at first offers no assistance or explanation.

I have heard great stories, and stories of defeat.

I have recieved two phone calls from the add to date. One was from someone in an extremely bad part of town, with bums and prostitutes on the corners. The other was just someone wanting to chat on the phone. Although I did not mind talking, it made me no money.

My phone book ad is a story of defeat, kind of like the opposing coach stole my playbook and made some changes.

Now I must pay for an entire year of playbooks, and with each defeat comes an even greater bill.
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