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Click to view Quinn1212's profile Professional Quinn1212 3 posts since
Sep 21, 2009
30. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 22, 2009 9:56 PM
in response to: shirlee
Hello again Shirlee,
Just got done speaking with him, he said FedEx has the trucks ready at 7:30 but he gets there around 8:30. He also stated that they are real lenient as long as your deliveries are made for that day.He said some nights he wouldn't bring the truck back till 10pm because he had to pick up a few things from the supermarket. As far as how long it takes him on a normal day, around 9-10 hours but this route is more driving then deliveries? He also added that FedEx gives a bunch of bonuses year round including fuel surcharge, good driving every 3 to 4 months, and a few others like yearly rises. I wanted to take a ride with him one day to see how it all was ran which he said not a problem. I'll keep you updated on my finds and wish the best for you!
Click to view mark111's profile Mogul mark111 23 posts since
Aug 24, 2009
31. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 22, 2009 9:56 PM
in response to: Quinn1212

Hi Quinn1212: I will share with you what I have been able to find out via research and also share some opinions.

First and foremost: RIDE THE ROUTE. Get to the depot at the exact time your seller does and spend the entire day with him. View what he does in the depot before he leaves, while he delivers and when he gets back. 47 miles is a long distance ( 84 round trip ) and then you have mileage on top of that for deliveries on the route. This is not like regular driving. It can be very grueling working any type of route. It is good that your know the route area because Ground does not provide custom daily "street by street" guides ( pretty much similar to mapquest ) like Fedex Home does.

Second: If you have not done so already, request the FEDEX settlement sheets from the seller regarding the route you are considering. I would request a current sheet, which are produced on a weekly basis, and then I would also request all of December 2008's sheets. This way you can see the volume spike for the holidays and the last sheet from '08 should have a year end number.

Third: As far as FEDEX's concern for when you return to the depot. You are in independent contractor. You can start at 7 AM if you want or 10 AM if you want. It is up to you. Just make sure you hit all of your stops. Some packages may have to come back because being that GROUND is mostly commercial, the majority of packages will require signatures. If you cannot obtain one for some reason, it will have to be noted in your scanner and then you will have to redeliver the following day. KEEP IN MIND THIS: IF YOU ARE DELIVERING MOSTLY TO BUSINESSES, THEN YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU LEAVE EARLY ENOUGH IN THE MORNING AND ALLOW ENOUGH TIME TO HIT ALL OF YOUR STOPS BEFORE THE BUSINESSES CLOSE. YOU WILL BE SIGNING AN OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH FEDEX AND BE AWARE THAT UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, FEDEX WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CEASE YOUR ROUTE AND CANCEL YOUR AGREEMENT LEAVING YOU WITH NOTHING. ( there are risks in every business venture.. Be Smart -- Allocate your time efficiently, make your deliveries and DRIVE SAFELY ! )

Fourth: Expansion. Make sure you have a business plan if you intent to expand. Funding is an issue. Most lenders will not make loans for routes. Staffing is an issue. You will need dependable, responsible drivers with a very clean driving record. Their mistake will be your mistake. Their productivity will reflect directly on yours. You have now gone from a single route owner into a business -- How will you form your business? LLC, Inc.,etc. ? Are you comfortable with managing people? What if they call in sick? Do you have back up drivers? ( you better. It's your business and the packages have to be delivered ).

Fifth: Splitting routes: I have to assume that the seller is referring to what is called a "supplemental route".. This would be when your route reaches its threshold level and requires another truck to handle all additional deliveries. Obviously, each particular truck can only handle so many packages and each route is designated with a threshold level. So, if the route you are referring to is on the cusp of consistently being near or above threshold, then you may have to consider leasing another truck with a driver. Fedex may ask this of you. I do not believe you have to accept packages over threshhold. From what I understand, if you are over, the depot may call you say at 3 AM and ask you what you want to do. If you do not want the amount over the threshold, then they will split them amongst other routes within the depot or FEDEX may take care of it themselves if they have any temp drivers on hand. Keep in mind, once you start making deliveries over threshold, you get paid more per package delivery ( the rate is very good -- at least for "home". I have to assume "ground" is similar ). Be prepared for this scenario come the holidays. I questioned the profitablity factor regarding this with a few route owners and it definitely makes sense around the holidays to consider renting an additional truck and hiring a temp driver ( FEDEX may supply them but at your cost). Pay the driver by the stop this way you are always in control of expenditures. It was shown to me on one of the home routes I was looking at which did an average of 145 - 170 stops per day exploded to between 300 and 400 stops per day in November and December. Paying the driver a reasonable per stop rate still yielded an extra $125.00 - $200.00 per day for the owner after all expenses. You do the math. That's a good number. One more thing regarding the supplement. Eventually if the supplement gets big enough, from what I understand FEDEX may assign it a separate route number so now you have two routes for the price of one. You can do with it as you wish. Keep it and work it or try to sell it off.

Sixth: Expenses: Rough estimates on home delivery ( not sure if they are the same for ground ): Scanner is about $23.00 per week. Miscellanous + truck washing is about $12.00 per week. These two expenses come out of your revenues on the settlement sheet. You receive credits on the sheet for "signatures", scanning and loading packages onto the "home" delivery truck ( Ground loads the truck for you so you may not receive this credit ) and the fuel supplement I believe is $0.11 per mile ( now "home" delivery route mileage is calculated according to the street by street directions. Ground does not provide this so I am not sure how they figure out their fuel supplement ). FEDEX requires you to utilize their insurance carrier and those costs will also be backed out. Liability, accident/collision and workmens comp will be auto deducted on the settlement sheet. I would figure on approximately $60.00 per week for these expenses. I would allow $25.00 per week for maintenance, $750 per month for truck lease and then gas, which will all depend on how many miles you travel. I would use these numbers though: There are 253 delivery days to a year ( allowing 5 delivery days per week and 7 holidays per year ) . Allow 10 miles per gallon at $2.75 per gallon. The variable is how many miles you drive per week. As an example, if you drove 500 miles per week at 10 Miles per gallon at $2.75 per gallon, that would be $137.50 per week or $7150 per year LESS $2860 ( .11 per mile suppluement according to home ) per year. I think it is safe to assume that you should generally allow between $21,000.00 and $25,000.00 per year in expenses for a single route. The only one large variable being is the mileage and the fluctuation of the cost per gallon for diesel. Of course, there could be incidentals -- truck break down, etc. THE SETTLEMENT SHEETS AND THE OWNER DOCUMENTATION SHOULD PERMIT YOU TO NAIL DOWN THESE EXPENSES ( AND REVENUES ) VERY ACCURATELY.

Finally, how about how you get paid: I only know this for home: You get paid per stop, per package delivered, per package pick up, per signature. You get paid an advertising rate per day because you are using the FEDEX Logo on the truck and wearing their uniforms. You get paid what is called a "core zone" rate every day. This rate is calculated on how far you first stop is from the depot and then how many stops you make per day. Of course, you get your fuel supplement. You will receive a monthly bonus for customer satisfaction and operating 100% according to your agreement with FEDEX. You will receive "x" amount per package delivered over threshold. If you are a multi route owner, you will receive more bonuses for excellent performance. The multi route bonuses level off when you own 5.
Click to view mark111's profile Mogul mark111 23 posts since
Aug 24, 2009
32. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 22, 2009 9:55 PM
in response to: shirlee
Hey Shirlee: Please see my detailed reponse to Quinn above. I will add a few more things according to your questions:

You said: They both think that Fedex routes are good profitable businesses.

Reponse: Profitability will depend on the size of the route. If you plan on financing it somehow, allow for that as an additional montly expense. From what I have seen so far in my area, a home delivery route averaging 135 - 170 stops per day can certainly provide a very reasonable living ( of course that depends on the person and their situation and how they manage their money ).

You said: We have also read horror stories on the internet about the heavy handed managment at some of the terminals. I hope most of that is sour grapes!

Response: No matter where you work or go, you will always tend to come across someone difficult to deal with. I too have read some articles but I believe the ones I were reading were regarding managers relating to the employees under their management. I have not personally met the managers of the depot I may be working out of but have scene them at work with the independent contractors and all seem to be on the same page and working cooperatively.

You said: I have heard ground contractors make more money......Are you planning on driving or hiring a driver.

Reponse: From what I understand, Ground gets paid more. I think this extra revenue comes into play because they deliver mostly to commercial businesses and signatures are mandated unlike home delivery ( occassionaly some home packages are signature required ). That fact may mean an extra $1.00 per package for Ground contractors. I am not aboslutely certain on this but it makes sense to me.

Response: Yes, if I go thru with this, I plan on driving the route myself.

You said: I have also read that fed ex likes you to work 11-12 hr day 5 days a week. This would be fine some of the time but are you hearing that is an everyday occurance. I am sure there is a limit as to what one driver can deliver.

Response: It all depends on the size of your route and the distance from the depot. Yes expect to work long days. Any business owner should. Like I said above, I worked a route that had 143 home deliveries and 164 packages delivered. We left at 8:30 AM and got back to the depot at 5:30 PM. Now, this depot is only 18 miles from my home. So, I left my house at 6:15 AM in order to scan the packages and load the truck, worked the entire route without taking one single break and got home at 6:15 PM. That's a 12 hour day. In my previous business I worked 70 to 80 weeks for almost 12 out of 18 years. If you decide to go into the retail business, expect to work 12 to 14 hour days, 7 days a week. If you want to be in business for yourself, then you have to expect to put the time in. The benefits.. With FEDEX, you will get your money deposited into you checking account every week on time. The harder you work, the more you will get paid. If you decide to expand into multi routes, then you benefit from additional revenues. Will you ever be able to not drive as a multi route owner? Yes and no. Always be prepared to have to drive, but if you own 5 or more, for the most part if you know how to run a business, then you should be able to pull out a decent salary while just managing, which includes being at the depot in the early AM to make sure your trucks are being loaded, your drivers are there, there are no mechanical issues, etc. etc. But, ALWAYS be prepared to drive, just in case.

You said: I am sure there is a limit as to what one driver can deliver.

Response: As stated in the previous reponse, all routes have a threshold level. See the reponse above for details.

AND ONE FINAL NOTE: YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE. OF COURSE IF A SPOUSE WORKS ANOTHER JOB THAT MAY BE TAKEN CARE OF.
Click to view MoveForward's profile Mogul MoveForward 148 posts since
Aug 13, 2009
33. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 23, 2009 9:29 AM
in response to: CCS_INC
CCS_INC in respond to your question. My main office in Nashville,
with a great number of rep's through-out Tennessee and Ohio.
Memphis is one of our locations.

On a different note:
I hope this forum remains active, it shows how important networking
is and learning from each other. Please keep us posted as to your
venture towards success.
Click to view mark111's profile Mogul mark111 23 posts since
Aug 24, 2009
34. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 23, 2009 6:30 PM
in response to: MoveForward
Yep. Will do. These things take time. Diligence and patience are a must. I have yet another meeting tomorrow, Thursday morning at the depot.

I am now also looking at a Franchise situation.. IHOP. Any thoughts on that anyone?
Click to view shirlee's profile Professional shirlee 7 posts since
Sep 21, 2009
35. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 24, 2009 5:25 AM
in response to: Quinn1212
Hi Quinn,

Thanks for the information. We are still investigating and looking into driving classes to become approved by Fedex. Please keep me updated with any new information you feel would be helpful to share and I will do the same.

Thanks
Click to view shirlee's profile Professional shirlee 7 posts since
Sep 21, 2009
36. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 24, 2009 5:25 AM
in response to: mark111
Hi Mark,

I had to chuckle when I read you were looking at an Ihop franchise and did anyone have any information on that......my experience with Ihop was usually about 1:00am for breakfast after a fun night out.....they do have a great breakfast.

Thank you so much for all your information, you certainly have been helpful. We have a little bit of a situation with our seller because he does not want any other drivers or management to know he is selling. I am sure that is because he feels he can get more from someone outside the terminal. He also does not want to finalize anything until after the first of the year, which I can certainly understand. Therefor he feels like he has lots of time to wait for a better offer. This route is in a good area and makes about 110-150 stops a day. He says it grossed over 90K last year and is set for the same this year.

Are you planning on taking the driving school Fedex offers or going though a private school. Neither myself, my husband nor our son have any driving experience. Our son would be the driver,and if he goes through Fedex driving school we would have to be listed as the contractor I believe. I think it would be called non driving contractor.

It sounds like home delivery is more labor intensive with having to load the trucks. For ground they load them at the terminal I wonder why it is different?

Good luck with your desicion.....remember Ihop would be 24/7.

Shirlee
Click to view mark111's profile Mogul mark111 23 posts since
Aug 24, 2009
37. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 24, 2009 6:36 PM
in response to: shirlee

Hi Shirlee: Like I said previously, make sure you get copies of both the current and '08 year end settlement statements for the route you are thinking about buying. If he has multiple routes, the numbers may be a little more difficult to figure out because sometimes one route has a lower threshold level than another and the owner will opt to put his "peak" above threshold deliveries into another route thereby skewing the numbers. However, the key really is to what the daily delivery stops are. 110- 150 stops grossing over 90K sounds about right for a GROUND route. What State are you in?


As far as labor instensity. GROUND you will be delivering more packages and heavier ones on average than HOME. Also, like I previously stated, GROUND does not offer "turn by turn" directions every day for the route. So, even though the truck may be loaded for you, you will have to sort thru the packages and write down the best order to deliver them in. I may even suggest getting a GPS and input the stops into the GPS. Either way, this will probably take just as much time as it does to scan and load a home delivery truck and by loading the truck yourself, you can put them automatically in order of delivery stop. I have done it, it is not all that bad in my opinion. Also with GROUND you will be making a bunch of pick ups and most will be larger packages and you HAVE TO make these no matter what. A lot of companies use FEDEX exclusivley and schedule daily pick ups. Some may be as late as 6:30 PM. You do get paid better on both pickups and deliveries.


If I decide to go forward, I will be taking a private class. If one takes the FEDEX driver course, you have to wait a year to buy a route. But, if some reason, you pay and use a 3rd party, this is not an issue.


Regarding the seller not wanting to sell until 2010. If he is a multi route owner, you can always try to negotiate a deal now to get you started immediately and asign him any amount of packages over threshold during PEAK time ( late Nov. until Christmas Eve. ). If he is a single route owner, you can always negotiate buying the route now and paying him for the amount earned over threshold during PEAK. Everything can be negotiated.

During PEAK, expect to work 6 days per week and 14 hour days.

Regarding IHOP.. 25 employees should be enough to handle 6 AM till 11 PM hours seven days a week. No reason an owner cannot open and stay thru the morning rush, then go home and come back during the course of the rest of the day.

I've looked at Franchises, Commercial Manufacturing, Florists, Deli's, Pizzerias, Bagel stores, other types of routes and more. No matter what, long hours will be required. The difference is some are 5 days a week, 6 days a week or 7 days per week.

Click to view shirlee's profile Professional shirlee 7 posts since
Sep 21, 2009
38. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Sep 29, 2009 5:54 AM
in response to: mark111
Hi Mark,

Do you know what driving school you would be going through. I am not sure is certified by Fedex.
Click to view Redman1's profile Professional Redman1 2 posts since
Sep 30, 2009
39. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involv Sep 30, 2009 12:46 PM
Hello Mark, I am looking at a Fedex Home Delivery myself. I would like to know how you got in contact with the route seller. I also reside in Monmouth county. Thx Redman1
Click to view mark111's profile Mogul mark111 23 posts since
Aug 24, 2009
40. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involved ? Oct 3, 2009 8:04 PM
in response to: shirlee
Hi Shirlee: I decided to go thru fedex. There are ways around the wait period and I have figured it out.
Click to view mark111's profile Mogul mark111 23 posts since
Aug 24, 2009
41. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involv Oct 3, 2009 8:04 PM
in response to: Redman1
I began the process via a business broker, which really ended up getting me nowhere. But, it was a good experience to meet with one and go thru the 2 hour discussion and touching upon multiple possibilites.

Thru much diligence on my own and I mean 100% on my own I came across a potential seller.
Click to view Redman1's profile Professional Redman1 2 posts since
Sep 30, 2009
42. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involv Oct 4, 2009 11:57 AM
in response to: mark111
ThX I contacted a route broker a few days ago still waiting for info on the route he has for sale.
Click to view gblambo's profile Start-up gblambo 1 posts since
Nov 25, 2009
43. Re: Have funds to purchase FEDEX ground routes. Risks involv Nov 25, 2009 1:03 AM
in response to: mark111
Hello - All - I too am looking seriously at buying 4 fedex ground routs. Did any of you actually buy a route? If yes - can you tell me how it is going? Can we speak directly to one another? I will provide my telephone # if you would be willing to speak with me. Thank you all for the info so far. G.B. Lamb
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