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Click to view studio 525's profile Mogul studio 525 59 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
45. Re: The best advice from a professional Aug 26, 2009 1:54 PM
in response to: sirvonron
There's a lot of intelligent truth in what this poster says. But it's not really advertising that doesn't work. It's ineffective advertising that doesn't work. And these days we're seeing a lot more ineffective advertising for many of the reasons the poster suggests.

The solution is, as always, to understand your market. To know who your potential customers really are and what they really want. Focus groups used by most advertising agencies are of limited value. As a former Senior Copywriter for a large agency, I've sat in on and read reports from countless focus groups. Although they cost the clients a fair piece of change, they can't get at the heart of the issue.

Most good agency Creatives rely much more on their own personal research and gut instincts. In advertising, it's the talent for having accurate gut instincts (or customer empathy) that really creates the successful campaigns. Most of the expensive research is just window dressing. And something for the Account Execs to do. Clients are paying for the talent and gut instincts of one or two people.

It's always been about art (plus the smoke and mirrors of agency pitches), not science.

With the web, this has changed. Now it's relatively easy to see (at least on the web) what works and what doesn't work. How long do visitors stay on your site, on each page? What's the bounce rate? Is the sales funnel working? What percentage are soft conversions (actions leading to a sale)? And what percentage are hard conversions (actual sales)?

Now we have those answers. Instantly. And we also know that a change of a single word or color can sometimes double response rates and sales. We can test every part of our marketing and our offers. And we can continue to tweak every element until we get the results we want.

When I wrote and directed television spots, it was all about the flash, excitment, glamour and entertainment value. Don't get me wrong, it was fun and paid very, very well.

But what was always missing was hard, verifiable results.

Now, with the web, we have those hard, verifiable results. It's a whole new world. I think most clients are only just waking up to this fact. I don't know if agencies are even onboard with this yet. And I'd have to say most web designers aren't either. That's why so many are becoming our clients after we re-write and re-design their clients' websites.

The work I do for my clients today is very different from what I did at the agencies. Now it's more like a continuous conversation with their potential customers. And I write as if it were an intimate conversation. Then I listen. Very closely. The web analytics tell me how the conversation is going. I have very good gut instincts and do a great deal of my own upfront research before I start every marketing job. So I'm usually not too far off. It's quite easy for me to re-write or re-design a client's website and double or triple the results. Often I get even better results. If you're interested, you can see some of those results on my website in the client success stories section.

But the web analystics tell me where I can improve the results even more. I test each of the key pages. And revise and tweak until the results are the absolute best I believe they can be. Of course my clients are blown away. They've just doubled or tripled their profits. And then I increase the results even more.

I'm no magician. It's really just the ability to ask the potential customer who they are and what they want. And then give it to them. Because so few companies do this today, it's very easy to dramatically increase results.

And of course this needs to change continuously as the market and prospects' needs change. But that's what the web is so good at - change.

It never was rocket science. But now it's finally becoming a science. Test and verify. Test and verify. That and a little bit of gut instinct can take you far today.

If you're interested in seeing some of the outstanding results I get for my clients (like an 800% increase in sales from a re-written sales page or number one positions in Google), check out my website. There's a ton of free marketing information there too.

Take it from a former ad guy, we're in a whole new world of marketing today.

Peter

Peter Cutler
Studio 525
http://www.studio525.com

We don't just create websites.
We create results.


Click to view ericdawe's profile Professional ericdawe 5 posts since
Aug 27, 2009
46. Re: Advertising that works?? Aug 27, 2009 9:15 AM
One of my clients is in a simililar industry, granite countertops, and we have helped him acheive over $450,000 in new business in just over 1 quarter! I'm not sure if your price point is near his, but the average job is around $3500.

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Click to view MoveForward's profile Mogul MoveForward 148 posts since
Aug 13, 2009
47. Re: The best advice from a professional Aug 27, 2009 10:17 AM
in response to: sirvonron
sirvonron...thanks for taking the time to write all this,
you are so right yet at times we all get fustrated into
thinking a newspaper ad would be the better way to
go...your right it is not. Thanks!
Click to view sirvonron's profile Authority sirvonron 17 posts since
Aug 26, 2009
48. Let's be clear Aug 27, 2009 12:35 PM
in response to: MoveForward

The problems isn't just with newspapers, which are still getting an impressive share of the ad budgets, and those budgets are being diminished. The company I mentioned that had problems with newspaper advertising has also had even greater problems with internet advertising, although this huge chain operation is one of the most successful overall in the industry. At one point, during which time they added newspaper advertising, they all but had to all but temporarily abandon internet advertising due to a number of reasons including a lack of response.

Internet advertising doesn't really change anything. It's just another delivery system that brings further fragmentation and is somewhat less glamorous and fun for the client, but with the same old tired people from television and other wings of the business.
Click to view creativeiads's profile Mogul creativeiads 44 posts since
Jul 25, 2009
49. Re: The best advice from a professional Aug 29, 2009 10:00 AM
in response to: studio 525
There are good posts here trying to answer the question. I suggest that you target the ads (low cost ones) and try mutiple forms of ads and keep it frequent. You are bound to get the results.

Mike V.,
creativeiads.com
Click to view heather24's profile Mogul heather24 21 posts since
Aug 13, 2009
50. Re: Advertising that works?? Aug 31, 2009 3:59 AM
Hi, You need to understand the behaviour
of your customers. Apart from referrals, how they came to know about your business ?

  1. Google Search - Concentrate on SEO & use Google adwords to increase sales.
  2. Social networking sites - Create a Facebook page, Twitter account etc & connect with influencers.
  3. News paper ads - Allocate more budget for new paper classified ads
  4. Yellow pages - Get listed in all the Yellow Pages.
To conlude it, understand your customers, before advertising in any media.

Thanks,
Heather
Click to view Broqui's profile Start-up Broqui 1 posts since
Aug 31, 2009
51. Re: Advertising that works?? Aug 31, 2009 5:16 PM
in response to: heather24
Have to ask what state and city are you in?

I was in the Hurricane Shutters business for a long time in Florida. I have to say i tried all type of advertizing News papers, Mag, Radio you name it. after years of experience in the Marketing Biz i have to say your marketing tactics depend on many factors. E.I. in the shutter business the only thing that worked for me was the Home Trade Show. one space was about $2,000.00 so will take 2 (4K) but will re-gain all of it back with 5 clients. this show is like the auto shows but for house remodeling... (it worked)

Now I've been in the Income Tax Preparation Biz and the advertizing is totally different...

Long story shot see if you have a home show near you, People love those events...
Click to view sirvonron's profile Authority sirvonron 17 posts since
Aug 26, 2009
52. Re: The best advice from a professional Sep 9, 2009 12:39 AM
in response to: studio 525

One thing I can't help but notice on this site is that while there are a few people talking about finding advertising for a business they no longer have or otherwise talking about the past by bringing up past experiences that are no longer relevant. As stated in a previous post the head of the Association of National Advertisers has gone on record to express extreme dismay and dissappointment in the advertising world and he points to the lack of creativity in his field. That creativity level continues to drop as the money goes and as the business picks up the least qualified college graduates. Students that have the best grades are moving forward to other much more lucrative fields and the power and prowess of advertising further erodes.

According to the Center for Literacy in the Media (yes, we are at the point where we need them) we are at a point now that advertisers should have seen coming long ago and should have adapted. It now appears that the advertising industry is a debacle that is killing itself.

Advertising is much less powerful than advertisers and critics of advertising claim, and advertising agencies are stabbing in the dark much more than they are practicing precision microsurgery on the public ccnsciousness. Advertising agencies would often have you believe that their expertise is not in creativity, but in getting airtime for less and using their profound knowledge to help place the advertising strategically. They fail at that. And they've been failing at it for generations.

One of the more striking examples concerns television advertising for the 1984 Olympics and the 1985 Superbowl. The naïve observer must assume that businesses reap extraordinary rewards for their elaborate and expensive sponsorship of these events. But, it turns out, no one really knows if they do. Video Storyboard Tests, Inc., a market-research firm, found that Olympics advertising was not cost-effective. Leading Olympics advertisers paid $62 for every 1,000 retained impressions" (consumers who report that they remember an ad or have retained impressions" of the ad) compared to the $27 they normally spend for the same result through other media such as magazines. As for the Super-bowl, some firms were pleased to advertise. Soloflex, a mail-order exercise firm, advertised because, as the firm's president put it, "Look, it's the Superbowl [Advertising ~on the game] gives the company more credibility; it's a statement that we have arrived." In actuality, the most commonly held beliefs about advertising, including its ability to influence sales by causing consumers to think a certain way about a product, are open to question. And those questions are now much more important than they were just a few years ago. Isn't it better to do what is best based on some amount of data-supported evidence, instead of impulse stupidity that is based on nothing but a sixth grade mentality.

It does seem that while advertising doesnn't often help very much, that they are these very indirect claims that some people believe in enough that they can't accept the facts. When advertising fails miserably, some companies are in denial...even to the point that the business is on the hope system. In this way only, it may be that advertisements indirectly affect consumer buying decisions because the companies politics have been built around a false system. Still the whole thing is a house of cards built fraud by the ad industry.


If business people think ads affect consumers directly, their belief serves as a spur to an advertising program. Yes, sometimes ignorance is bliss. A marketing executive at a major food company told me, for example, that he thinks most of the money spent by his own company on advertising does little good in convincing consumers of anything. However, he has failed in efforts to limit the advertising budget. Why? When the company executives make presentations before meetings of their stockholders or others in the investment community, the first thing investors want to see is a reel of the company's television advertisements. Expensive, well-executed, and familiar ads convince the investors, as nothing in the black and white tables of assets and debits can, that the company is important and prosperous. This, naturally, can have major consequences for the firm. If investment in advertising keeps the firm's investors happy, the company can count on a flow of capital for its operations. In this way, the investors' belief that advertising is an index of a prosperous company helps make the company prosperous.

This self-fulfilling prophecy" also works with a company's own sales force, distributors and retailers. A salesperson finds it easier to say "I'm selling Proctor and Gamble," rather than "I'm selling Product X you probably haven't heard of it.' And retailers prefer to stock well-advertised goods because they THINK consumers are influenced by advertising. As a result, widely advertised brands become the brands most widely available. Consumers confirm the supposed influence of advertising by picking the brands off the shelf. It is entirely plausible, then, that advertising helps sell goods even if it never persuades a consumer of anything. So long as investors, salespeople, and retailers believe that advertising affects consumers, advertising will influence product availability and this, by itself, shapes consumer choice. Availability, as marketers sometimes say, equals sales. When the vulnerability of semi-professionals is varied, we all start to see the problems. Mediocrity is rewarded and the flawed reward process becomes an abortion. Of course, small businesses in particular can't tolerate traditional old boy politics that amount to wasted revenue and unenlightened business sense. We can't afford to advertise just because it may be fun to talk about it or say to sponsor a Nascar team because we can all get away on the weekends. We have to get smart.


The question we need to ask is not whether advertising works but under what conditions it works. Ii should not be forgotten that numerous sources of information influence consumers' decisions to buy. The business world is a big wobbly ball that is affected by so many things that any one person or advertising campaign can accurately see a result. In this way it is very much like our economy. It is our economy. Also the problem is compounded as the consumer gets smarter and more immune from the lies we see every day in advertising. In the best of times, even when our economy was young and people started making the transition from the farm to a new consumer driven worlds, advertising was still just one one of many influences on consumer decisions. This changes completely in certain circumstances, however. The lower class is the most vulnerable to advertising.

Some consumers sometimes and all consumers under some circumstances are deprived of alternative information sources and are more dependent on and more vulnerable to advertising. This is the case with children, with people in transitional states in their lives and with Third World peoples relatively new to the world of mass-marketed consumer goods and less protected by government agencies and regulations. (Of course, this means that most of the planet's people fall in this category.) But not Americans. It's hard to make this point too strongly: Different groups are differentially vulnerable to advertising; and their vulnerability varies not so much with the character or quantity of advertisements as with claim by age, education, station in life and government guarantees of consumer protection. As the world gets smarter, and for example people know much more about shopping for cars today than even ten or even five years ago. The same is true of real estate. Salespeople look for the dumb guy in overalls and a pocketfull of cash for the "lay down sale". The same is also true of advertising agencies. They are looking for large budgets and sometimes distracted companies. That is also true in the smallest markets, where I could write a book about the horror stories. The current thinking among salespeople (and even their managers) is to not to have too much contact with the advertiser...or he may think too much about it and cancel. There are groups ready to further legislate against inaccurate advertising and to offer protection for at special risk (minors. for instance) for high vulnerability. There is more constitutional room to restrict advertising to young people, and the burden of proof to show that advertising affects behavior should be correspondingly lighter. I personally think as the industry quickly erodes to a skeleton of its former self, that the idea will go away and the problem (if there is one) will go away. But there is hatred out there for advertisers that includes periodic product boycotts. It seems that advertising's message isn't nearly as strong as that of the news media, which shapes people's basic concepts of how the world operates and what kinds of lives are worth living. Viewing an advertisement that comes and goes and is an adjunct of another activity is much less powerful experience than a conscious, willed, long-term activity like reading a novel. The bottom line is that advertising is losing its luster and we can see it every day. I was our and about today and experienced first hand several examples of ineffective advertising without seeing any examples of effective advertising. At Walgreen's drug store I tried to buy some low dose aspirin that was on sale for four dollars and something. At least I thought it was. It rang up to over five dollars, despite the sign that said four-something. The clerk made calls, walked around the store looking for a circular. The clerk got others looking as well. They were still looking when she was finally told many disruptive minutes later that the huge sign right in front of the pharmacy counter was two months old and that the sale ended almost eight weeks ago. No one knew. No one bought the aspirin. No one asked. Even that huge sign and the circular hadn't worked. Who knows where else they may have advertised that. (I didn't buy anything after that) My friends and I spent the morning trying to find out why our local university advertised a lecture on religion yesterday which didn't take place as scheduled last night. The University didn't know and wasn't helpful, even though it was on their internet site, a pamphet and the newspaper. Apparently there was no lecture because they were supposed to advertise a class with three meetings instead, but the class doesn't start for several months. We don't know what happened, but at this point I wasn't suprised. Everything advertised seems to be an abortion. There is such a huge disconnect. Don't get me started with the other advertising miscues I've experienced today, regarding a major airline, a Dallas Hotel and a travel club. All I have to do is sit back and observe and I see it everywhere...and I often see an inverse reaction on Wall Street to companies that advertise the most.

Hyundai tells us that their cars make sense, Apple Computer offers us the power to be our best, and most of us don't believe a word of it. The fact is, when all is said and done, most people don't believe, don't remember, don't even notice, most advertising. This has always been so and always will be so. The vast majority of advertising is ineffective and inefficient.


Greater awareness of advertising's role in your life can help make you a conscious, instead of an automatic, consumer: For the advertising industry, along with the main body of industrial society, is struggling for survival. It may be drowning, but it has not yet sunk. And in a last-ditch effort to save itself, it will flail about more wildly and make more noise than ever, as we might expect from any drowning individual.

As I stated earlier there are groups actively campaigning against companies that advertise and are supporting those that don't. Just for laughts, this is what one has stated on their website. It just shows how unresponsive many people are about ad campaigns in general.

Don't be a walking advertisement.
Remove those labels, tags and other symbols from your jeans and steer clear of T-shirt advertising, "alligator" shirts and clothing with designer logos. Why should you be an unpaid billboard?


Keep your counter clear of brand names.
Whenever possible, transfer liquid soaps, cereals, cookies, nuts, juices and the like from their brand-identified store-bought containers into plain, general-purpose jars and cannisters. Or remove brand I.D. labels from store containers (but make sure the product is still clearly identifiable).


Take the road less traveled.
Avoiding main highways and using local streets can help you sidestep the major arteries and commercial avenues in your locale. This will go a long way towards reducing your exposure to outdoor advertising and may even help you get to know your town or city a little better.


Reduce or eliminate junk mail.
Department stores and local merchants will stop sending you flyers and other advertising if you ask them to. Many local direct-mail associations will also serve as clearinghouses for a request to eliminate junk mail. Check your phone directory for local listings or write to the national organization, Junk Mail Busters, Ste. 5038, 4 Embarcadero Center, San Francisco, CA 94111.


Divest your possessions of brand names.
Applicances, stereo components, computers, TV sets, tele-phones, sometimes even furniture almost all display prominent logos, but you don't have to live with them. Often you can cover them with tape or water-soluble colors, unscrew them or peel them away without damaging the item. (When resale value and slight damage are not concerns, you can obliterate them.)


Keep your branded items hidden.
Store toothpastes in the medicine cabinet, detergents out of sight and return everyday foods or other frequently-used items that can't be transferred to alternate containers to cabinets immediately after use.

Recently (true story) a journalist wrote a book on the downfall of advertising and stated that he was involved in three losing industries. You'll never completely get rid of advertising, but you'll think of many ways to spend less on it. And you may find your business thrives because of it.

Click to view my1stbusiness's profile Start-up my1stbusiness 2 posts since
Sep 9, 2009
53. Re: Advertising that works?? Sep 9, 2009 2:16 AM

Go buy the book guerilla marketing! it is the best thing for getting your thoughts out of the box. I worked as an account manager for a major and used it there and know that I have my own business I am sing it again. Good luck
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54. Re: Advertising that works?? Sep 9, 2009 2:25 AM
in response to: americangirl1
I am very interested in your advertising. is there more info than just your link?
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55. Re: Advertising that works?? Sep 9, 2009 7:28 PM
Hey,
I have a small advertising business and would recommend very targeted direct mail promotions and email marketing. I publish information on how to do this from time to time in my email campaigns at www.DirectMailFormula.com sign up.

Thanks Ryan
Click to view TrafficAdvice's profile Professional TrafficAdvice 3 posts since
Sep 11, 2009
56. Re: Advertising that works?? Sep 11, 2009 5:02 AM
InnovativeD,

I would recommend getting in touch with a genuine Internet Marketing expert. The problem is that many claim to have expertise in getting customers from the internet, but are clueless about how to promote your business effectively. Think about how the average consumer looks for goods and services these days - it is almost always on their computer or internet capable cell phone. The number of daily online searches is staggering - and online searching is growing rapidly every year.

The problem is that potential new prospects aren't searching for "Your Business Name Here" - they are searching for literally hundereds, maybe thousands of related flooring words, and there are only 10 ad spots and 10 Google chosen websites on each search result page. One of the best ways to get in front of those customers is by opening a Google Adwords Account and creating ads like those ones we all see on the right hand side of a Google search results page.

If your business was in Austin TX - you would want to advertise on search terms like "hardwood flooring in Austin TX" or "flooring company in Austin TX" and "Austin TX laminate floor supplier" and even terms like "oak hardwood floors" and "stainmaster carpet dealer" (you do have to check with your brand name suppliers to make sure you can advertise with their trademarked names).

When you have created a long list of "search terms" that people would logically type in to find the service or product that you offer, you will be amazed at the massive number of people you can drive to your site. This technique works incredibly well - one of the added benefits is that often times, your competitors are not using this form of advertising, so it is usually easy to secure an ad position that is near the top of the page where all of the clicks happen (depending on your particular type of business) You will only pay when someone clicks on your ad, which is way better than spending thousands for print ads that often are only seen by a small percentage of the people who you paid to advertise to. Every time your ad is viewed and clicked, you are reaching a pre-qualified potential customer who is SEEKING YOU out! These are the prospects you want, people with their phone in one hand and their wallet in the other.

Ok, I just get a little excited about this topic, I spent years as an "Afilliate Marketer" which is basically a large group of internet experts who are all fighting for the same small page of Google search results for over-promoted things like "how to lose weight" and "insurance quotes." Now I train business owners how to get customers into their brick and mortar businesses and the exciting part is that it is way easier to get cheap click prices for terms like "Hardwood Flooring Supplier in Austin, TX" (around .25 cents a click) versus terms like "insurance quotes" (around $20.00 per click!!!!)

Anyway, I hope this posting is useful to at least a few business owners who are having dificulty getting internet traffic. I have moved away from afilliate marketing and now train business owners how to promote.

You can get a free DVD and a free trial membership from www.businesstrafficsecrets.com if you are interested in more ways to pump up your web and business traffic.

To your success,

Earl
Click to view vinod1978's profile Mogul vinod1978 28 posts since
Sep 11, 2009
57. Re: Advertising that works?? Sep 11, 2009 7:15 PM
You know what works, but you probably think you can afford it. Local Television advertising is the key.

Many small and medium sized business do not think they can afford television advertising and resort to mediums that are simply not as effective such as direct mail, radio, or newspaper advertising. Tonangi Media (http://www.tonangi.com) is able to keep costs low by constantly negotiating with our local and national partners to provide targeted and cost effective advertising both on television as well as the internet. If cost is the biggest worry then think how much you spend on all your marketing mediums in the past. With a budget of less then $6,000 you can reach 1/2 a million people - and target them based on gender, income, and geographical location. Think about how much money you have literally wasted with other mediums. These methods may be cheaper but if they don't bring in customers is it really cost effective or is it a waste? We have customers that spend as little as $2,000 a month and customers that spend well over $25,000 a month. You decide your budget and Tonangi Media can help you meet your goals.

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