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19 Replies Last post: Dec 30, 2007 9:39 PM by samuelsegal2

Dealing with Chargebacks

Dec 11, 2007 4:44 AM

Click to view BuynSell's profile Professional BuynSell 15 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
Hi,

I have a question for everyone. I, just like many other business, have the occasional chargeback that we deal with. I am in the mail order business, and sometimes customers do a chargeback on me. If it is a non-receipt, I just try to file a claim with Fedex. But if Fedex denies my insurance claim for nonreceipt, then that shows the customer might have received it.

What do you guys do after the customer charges back? Do you write it off and move on? Lately, I have established a new policy to refer all chargebacks to collections. I get especially annoyed when customers report a defective product but refuse to send it back, instead, file chargeback. I have all the proof that shows customer did not send it back. Any advice would be appreciated :)
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Click to view 42n8lady's profile Professional 42n8lady 14 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
1. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 6:45 AM
Yes, please just move on. We can't escape the fact that all businesses have problems. But this problem is a great opportunity for you to build a better relationship with your customers. Ask for a feedback. I would replace the merchandise without question. One can build cusomer loyalty in this way. Unless of course, the quantity of chargebacks is staggering, which may reflect on your items or delivery system. For a business to be truly successful, our offer must be risk-free.
I once ordered $ 120.00 worth of multiple items through a catalogue. After a month of non-receipt, I called them up to ask when I can receive those items I ordered. They told me that in their files, UPS had delivered the big box on a certain date, however, they said that they'll mail them to me again. NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
My mom heard my complaint and told me that she had found a box thrown into the side gate . I found it to be my long-awaited delivery and so I called the company, apologized, and told them not to deliver a second shipment. Though afterwards I wished that I could have had the second delivery for free!!!!
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 8,136 posts since
Aug 6, 2007
2. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 6:49 AM

Chargebacks are a big and growing problem.

A merchant is billed for chargebacks as they occur. . Because a
merchant may be charged back in error, and because chargebacks may
often involve complicated customer disputes, a chargeback may be
appealed by the merchant. Thieves occasionally abuse the chargeback system. For example,
an unscrupulous customer will make a purchase over the Internet with
his own credit card and then issue a chargeback once the product or
service is received. In such cases merchants can have difficulty
recovering payment.

Chargeback processing (handling) is complex as a result of frequent
rule changes by the major credit card companies. There is an emerging
market for business software that
simplifies thechargeback process as well as separate chargeback
processing services
.
You said that you have established a new policy to refer all chargebacks to collections. How is that working.
Has the collection agencies been successful.
Best of luck, LUCKIEST

Click to view dollsbags's profile Mogul dollsbags 26 posts since
Dec 6, 2007
3. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 7:16 AM
Agreed. Chargebacks are a problem for all businesses.

Many times, chargebacks occur because an item description is not concise, item pictures are not accurate, or the customer is simply not happy with their purchase. Customer satisfaction is very important and we strive to keep all our our customers happy.

To minimize chargebacks:

Have a clear and concise return policy. Post it on your website and be sure it prints on your invoices. For instance, we accept return merchandise that is in excellent condition, unused, and all tags attached for 30 days. We recently had a customer return damaged goods to us without tags attached, and we refunded the money to her anyway. It's all about customer service. We also refunded the shipping costs for her to return the item to us.

When possible, send merchandise with signature required at delivery time.

Don't send merchandise to "unconfirmed" paypal addresses.

Try to resolve issues directly with the customer. Encourage customers to call for an RMA number if they want to return something. Calling is much more personal service than an email. Discuss the problem with them. If anything, the feedback you get will be worth more than the loss you incur.

Rich Petrelli, VP
DollsBags.com
Click to view BuynSell's profile Professional BuynSell 15 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
4. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 7:50 AM
Thanks for your answers. My question is to deal with those unscrupulous customers who claim nonreceipt, and those who claim defective but refuse to do an exchange. Yes - those happen. We ask them to send the product back, and they don't. They just file a chargeback. Think I have the right to send the account to collections?
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 8,136 posts since
Aug 6, 2007
5. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 8:37 AM
in response to: BuynSell
BuynSell, How long have you been in business??. Do you have a Lawyer?? Maybe it is time to talk to him.
You and or your company has to set up a procedure when to send the account to collections
I am a SCORE Counselor and you can visit SCORE online and ask a counselor who has chargeback experience or a legal background these questions.

Some buyers became familiar with the dispute process and knew that all
they had to do to get a merchant chargeback was to a nonreceipt claim.. Card issuers now are better at
screening legitimate disputes, but it hasn't eliminated the abuse.

One solution to habitual disputers is to send them a letter explaining that you
would no longer accept purchases from them because you could not seem to meet
their expectations. You could also flag the name in your ordering system, cancel
any incoming orders and send them the same letter again.

It wasn't foolproof, but it also didn't cost the money that ChargeBack
Bureau charges.
Again, Good luck, LUCKIEST

Click to view BuynSell's profile Professional BuynSell 15 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
6. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 8:46 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST

My company has been opened 3 yrs but I have been in other businesses for the last 9 yrs. My buyers are one-time buyers mostly so I'm not sure how I can word a letter. I have mostly consultants and legal accountants helping me out, and they said that they don't see anything right or wrong sending one time customers to collections... If anything, the customers become more willing to deal with problems when they have a collections agent calling them.


I've sent collections companies after customers who do not pay their import taxes (those taxes get billed back to me by Fedex). For some reason, customers never answer my phone calls and such, but when a collector calls, they start providing proof of payment or even payment. So I do collect at least 30-50% of the amount back, after paying collections fees.


I want to see if there are legal implications to send collections to people who CLAIM that they dont receive their goods when fedex clearly shows a signature. I'm not really worried about whether they will come back or not - If I get a customer who is beyond reason and is unwilling to deal with my customer service, I don't want them back. Case in point - my last chargeback was with a customer who received goods, claims partial defect, but unwilling to do an exchange. Instead I get a chargeback. I have all emails stating they dont want to send it back...

Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 8,136 posts since
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7. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 8:59 AM
in response to: BuynSell
BuynSell. It is great that you consultants and legal accountants helping you try and solve this problem.
Bottom line. How big a problem is this. On a monthly basis, how often does a chargeback happen??
Overall is the company making money?? If one thinks about Chargebacks, it is like a "Bad Debt".
(Bad Debt sounds the old days). Nobody wants to give product away, BUT percentage wise,
what are you talking about. This is not a solution, just looking for more info.
Again LUCKIEST
Click to view BuynSell's profile Professional BuynSell 15 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
8. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 9:04 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST
Luckiest - Thanks for your input. I get 3-4k of bad debts a year. I don't like forgiving - I rather assign to collections and forget. What do you think?
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 8,136 posts since
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9. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 9:48 AM
in response to: BuynSell
It is NOT what I think. It is your business. Do you want to think of chargebacks as another business
expense like shortages, inventory shrinkage, and discount??
LUCKIEST
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Founders Lighthouse24 2,402 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
10. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 11, 2007 11:31 AM
in response to: BuynSell
You mentioned (in another post) that you do $2 million a year in sales. Even if ALL of your $4K in bad debt is credit card chargebacks, that's only one-fifth of one percent of your sales. I have over a dozen retail clients who'd consider that world class performance! In my experience, you'd normally have more "no-fault" transactions than that (where neither you nor the customer did anything wrong -- i.e., the apartment groundskeeper signed for it and kept it, the manufacturer mispacked it, the customer moved, etc.).

I know you'd like the number to be zero, and that's very admirable management and cost control on your part. Still, if you have a retail operation and only one-fifth of one percent of the general public is trying to steal from you, a lot of people would say count your blessings!
Click to view BuynSell's profile Professional BuynSell 15 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
11. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 13, 2007 6:02 AM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Lighthouse, in my opinion, for anything there is always room for improvement. It becomes a point to see whether marginal benefit outweighs the marginal cost, in this case, the time I spend to see if I can recover my $4-5k I lose every year. That number is bound to increase as my business grows, and since I am looking at this issue, I'd want to develop a system to handle these. Instead of feeling like i threw $5k into the water, I like to think that I have fishermen (collections agencies) who try to recover some of it. Even if they recover 20% of the $5k, I can feel gratified knowing that I did the best I could. I just dont like to feel that its gone and I cannot do anything about it. I'm just wondering if this is a common practice for merchants send chargebacks to collections.
Click to view puzzleman's profile Mogul puzzleman 297 posts since
Oct 11, 2007
12. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 13, 2007 6:54 AM

I deal with chargeback by first calling the customer personally to ask if everything was fine with the order. I tell that I am calling as a regular followup to our customers.

If everything is fine, I send the chargeback to the CC company with all the appropiate paperwork, such as order, delivery statement and any correspondence and also my notes of my phone call with date and time noted.

If things are not fine, I fix the problem and then send all of the above information to the CC company.

I have found that I get all of my chargebacks resolved this way.
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,127 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
13. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 13, 2007 12:43 PM
in response to: puzzleman
I agree with you puzzleman.
It is a good idea to make the follow up call; shows that you care about the business you received.
I think that that is the proper way to handle a chargeback.

Great job,
CC08
Click to view amspcs's profile Mogul amspcs 576 posts since
Oct 18, 2007
14. Re: Dealing with Chargebacks Dec 13, 2007 1:14 PM
Two things re your questions about chargebacks you would do well to understand:.

#1, unfortunately, when you deal in non face-to-face environment, you are particularly vulnerable to credit card chargebacks. Unless you have BOTH original siguature on a credit card voucher AND proof of card in hand (which you'll have neither) you chances of prevailing in a chargeback dispute are slim and none. Just chalk it up to experience and cost of doing business. Thankfully most customers are reasonable and honest; the few who aren't and abuse the system just come with the territory.There ARE things you can do as a merchant to avoid being ripped off. Your merchant provider should have trained you in these areas. If not, you need a new merchant provider.

#2, I suggest to all our MOTO (mail order/telephone order) merchants to always have some sort of return policy and dispute resolution verbage included in the 'sales contract' that the customer views at some point in the transaction. I suggest having a qualified attorney help you out with this, no do-it-yourself jobs. This way, if you do get stuck with a chargeback, at least you'll have access with good chance of prevailing in small claims court if necessary, if the loss is large enough to go to the trouble.

Visa USA has a good website with lots of useful info on chargebacks, including tips on how to avoid them. I suggest ALL credit card accepting merchants have a look...find the section on "Chargebacks" in the table of contents.

Barry G
www.merchantservices-help.com
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