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39 Replies Last post: Dec 19, 2007 10:04 AM by DomainDiva

Your business, online

Dec 9, 2007 2:46 AM

Click to view E.Donkersloot's profile Start-up E.Donkersloot 3 posts since
Dec 4, 2007
Hello

Time is money and thus I'll be brief. Reading around the forums I noticed many small business entrepenours fail to take advantage of the internet and this because they lack the experience or time needed to launch their own business website. In my free time I have decided to put up my own website with some resources and do it yourself guides for the beginner internet user in his challenge to build a website. Link: http://money-4-you.info

Also I seen the great demand there is for webmasters and people willing to pay hundreds for easy to code websites, if you like my website and trust my skills I'd be happy to build up one for your business for far less than you would pay to a certified webmaster, who might do pretty much the same. If you are after the basic need of just publishing your business online for example, a restaurant website, this is a very easy task that requires no advanced coding and I could fulfill in 1 or 2 weeks.

Sincerly,
Edward Donkersloot
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Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 7,939 posts since
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1. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 7:35 AM
Welcome to the forum. I will continue to explore your website and will be in touch this week.
Good luck, LUCKIEST
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
2. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 10:34 AM
Will check it out and post what I find...
Click to view E.Donkersloot's profile Start-up E.Donkersloot 3 posts since
Dec 4, 2007
3. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 12:24 PM
in response to: CorpCons08
Thank you both.

This is what I'm looking for, some serious and professional critique.
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
4. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 12:30 PM

E.Donkersloot,


I took a few minutes to review your website. I think you may have something here. Very often you see people offering to design websites and develop features to websites, but it is very rare to find a service teaching people how to build websites themselves. I think you can make something of this service. Although I personally do not have a need for this service, I am sure there are people out there willing to pay to learn to develop pages. Best wishes to you on your venture and if you need any consulting help, please feel free to contact me.


CorpCons08

Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
5. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 2:11 PM

In that you requested first impression feedback, mine was that you mainly teach people to build websites full of ads that pass revenue to/from other websites full of ads. If a real business with real products and real customers (like the restaurant you described) needs to launch a simple website, there are possibly better options I'd suggest (template sites, inexpensive DIY tools, free classes and assistance at local community colleges, etc.). Sites with irrelevant advertising can hurt a legitimate business far more than they help.
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
6. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 4:32 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Where did you find out about advertising?
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
7. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 5:01 PM
in response to: CorpCons08

How did I find out about advertising on the site? I visited it, and waded through more than 40 on two pages, counting pop-ups and rollovers, while trying to figure out what tool was being offered to business owners. Someone visiting a restaurant site wants relevant information (menus, hours, maps, reservations), and they don't generally want to wade through the latest on Britney Spears, Little Green Footballs, or MLM opportunities to find it.

As I wrote in my feedback, that was my first IMPRESSION of the site/offer -- doesn't necessarily mean that's all there is to it.
Click to view E.Donkersloot's profile Start-up E.Donkersloot 3 posts since
Dec 4, 2007
8. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 5:11 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
I dont think you visited the rigth website, since my website does not have pop-ups or rollovers, and the only ads are AdSense ads which provide advertising related to content, relevant ads. So it is impossible you encountered your self with britney spears or sport ads.
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 7,939 posts since
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9. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 6:03 PM
Tell us with all this input, What Next?? Have you picked up new business??
LUCKIEST
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
10. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 7:22 PM
in response to: E.Donkersloot

Tried again, then copied and pasted:

"Money for you is not yet another website claiming you that there's a secret to earn money with out doing anything . . . we'll teach you how to create your own web-pages, blogs, e-Commerce . . . give you the tips and advertising programs in which you can participate for free . . ."

So, is this the place?

Got different offers this time (including one that would earn a "keep it clean" message from the moderator if I described it here).

Click to view MTCreations's profile Mogul MTCreations 82 posts since
Nov 18, 2007
11. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 8:33 PM
Yes, time IS money, and how many small biz folks, who are already stretched to the limit, since they must wear every hat (president, chief clerk and bottlewasher), has time to through away on properly learning web development (graphics, design, layout, color theory, information flow, useability, accessibility, html, css, ftp, seo, database driven php/mysql: just to name a few skills - grin)???

Yes, there are a lot of so-called webdev firms out there (aka idiots) who have ripped off countless businesses. But the entire industry is not evil or just out to steal money. I know that I am not, as a webdev pro 9 years and counting (wouldn't be able to count 9 years if I was a crook or an idiot).

That said, DIY is fine, if it's something you want to spend a LOT of time on (you got time, knock yourself out). There are thousands of recipe websites, and chefs/restaurants around the world are not quaking in their boots at the thought. So these types of websites don't threaten me - but they do sadden me a lot.

Why? I learned the basics of chess at a young age - took abotu 10 minutes to learn how all the pieces can move. But that did not make me a chess master. I also learned there are 8 notes in a musical scale - that's it. But that doesn't make me the next great composer, or even a mediocre one.

What I mean to say is learning the basics from a book or website tutorial is great, but don't fool yourself into thinking your going to build a website that people actually can find via a search engine, and then when they arrive, will want to stick around and interact with it (or even can!).

Sure, some people will do just that - make a great website all by themselves. No doubt. Just as some weekend-kitchen-warriors could put together an amazing meal, 9 courses, make Emeril jealous. But those are exceptions, not the rule.

The rule is, web dev is not easy, not learned in a weekend, and costs you far more in lost income, lost time, and lost customers if you do it wrong. Don't you have about a bazillion other things to do than build a website for your business?

I hire and enjoy the services of experts outside my field: my accountant, my lawyer, even the folks that hem my pants at the cleaners - I have no idea how to do that, but they do, and do it well, and I am happy to pay for the service and convenience.

On top of all that, this website in question has a few flaws:
1. it suggests one use templates (pre-designed websites). I've purchased a few 'nice looking' templates, just to see what was under the hood. It burns, even with the goggles on! Horribly structured nested tables as far as the eye can see - so 1999, and so hard to maintain, and worse for search engines trying to drill for content, buried under layers and layers of bad coding.

2. put ads on your website. Even this website has some censored ads running in the boxes. You want that? Or maybe you want other restaurants advertising on your website? (very strong possibility if you don't know how to set it all up properly). And why run ads to TAKE PEOPLE AWAY, when you worked so hard to get them TO your website. The basic premise is flawed.

3. and if all else fails (which it will - I think that's almost built in assumption), call us (the website owner) - we do websites cheap. Which defeats the DIY angle, no? (again, that's what I think is really the purpose).

So yes, feel free to throw rocks at the professional webdev person kicking the DIY website. But that's not really the case, if you carefully read what I wrote. DIY is great, if you CAN DYI (grin). But don't fool yourself that you're saving any money by not paying the mean old webdev person - what's your TIME worth for a truly professional website that is search engine friendly, ranks well, is easy to navigate, fast to download, simple to maintain and looks great too?

In the end, bad or no design will cost you far more than a well designed website.
(the cheap comes out expensive).

Mike
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
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12. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 9:07 PM
in response to: MTCreations
Wow. Nice analysis MT...
Click to view Campbell's profile Authority Campbell 18 posts since
Dec 9, 2007
13. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 11:50 PM
in response to: MTCreations
Agreed MTCreations, web design is one of those industries where people just don't understand the value of the business. Combine that with so many people shortchanging themselves with low, low fees and you have a business model that's in the crapper. Yet, it wouldn't make sense to build a website yourself unless that's your business.

Wouldn't attempt to build your own office would you???

-Campbell
http://www.campbelltechnologygroup.com
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
14. Re: Your business, online Dec 9, 2007 11:52 PM
in response to: Campbell
I might try to build my own office.
I knew nothing about web design and I am building my own page and it is coming out beautiful.
You can teach yourself things, it's amazing what the human brain is capable of.
I don't understand why people are so against education all of a sudden.
Just to prove you all wrong, I am going to build my own office space.
I will take photos of the progress.

CorpCons08
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