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11 Replies Last post: Dec 5, 2007 1:17 AM by NatOnline

Lessons Learned-Advice

Dec 4, 2007 6:41 PM

Click to view Memphis's profile Start-up Memphis 5 posts since
Dec 4, 2007
I am an online reseller mostly Ubid and Ebay auctions. I have tried dropshipping, buying from China, working deals with bigger chains etc. I am a licensed reseller and I have a DUNS number so I always get a tax break but the prices I find that are supposed to be "wholesale" are really retail or worse. I have looked at Wholesalebrands and many others and just can't seem to get my hands on a steady discounted supply of consumer electronics that consumers actually want to purchase.

The little success I have had in the 1yr+ in business is getting lucky on other auctions and then reselling for a profit. It is a lot of work.

I have lost money to scams, books, advice, importers - you name it. Has anyone else been or still going through this? I have all of the drive and desire to go large and create my own web site etc but not without products. I could really use some "this is what you should do advice" here.

Anything sent to me is most appreciated. Thank you.

Memphis
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Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
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1. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 6:51 PM
Memphis,

I need you to answer a few questions for me so I can better understand your situation.
I own a business consultation firm and would like the opportunity to work with you.

What kind of financing do you have available to you for purchasing your inventory?

What kind of merchandise are you currently looking to work with?

Regards,

CorpCons08
Click to view NatOnline's profile Mogul NatOnline 670 posts since
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2. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 6:58 PM
Hello Memphis and welcome to the forum,

I never go through dropshipping, auctions etc...

I think the good base is the same concept of brick and motar store. Your own website with your stock if possible with renewable products.

I don't know an experimented webmaster/owner that never lost money to scams, rip off, unprofessional people etc...

Good luck, I am sure someone in this forum can provide the wholesalers you are looking for.
Click to view Memphis's profile Start-up Memphis 5 posts since
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3. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 7:09 PM
in response to: NatOnline
Hello - Thanks for the quick responses. The products I work with are cameras, ipods, higher end laptops these kinds of things. I tend to stay away from refurbished items. I have sold these but most of the customers seem to be looking for new at the best possible pricing. Generally, I use my own money instead of credit because I use research to judge demand, market availability and other factors so that I can do a quick turnaround and replace the funds.

Once I find a source or several sources, the web site will be next. It seems to me that suppliers are a very closely guarded secret.

Again, thanks for the replies.

Memphis
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4. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 8:30 PM
in response to: CorpCons08
Hello - Thanks for the quick responses. The products I work with are cameras, ipods, higher end laptops these kinds of things. I tend to stay away from refurbished items. I have sold these but most of the customers seem to be looking for new at the best possible pricing. Generally, I use my own money instead of credit because I use research to judge demand, market availability and other factors so that I can do a quick turnaround and replace the funds.

Once I find a source or several sources, the web site will be next. It seems to me that suppliers are a very closely guarded secret.

Again, thanks for the replies.

Memphis
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
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5. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 8:37 PM
My advice is to "think small."

You say you are trying to get "a steady discounted supply of consumer electronics that consumers actually want to purchase." Unfortunately for you (but good for us who are Christmas shopping), the big box stores are trying to do that, too. The top 71 retailers in the nation EACH sold more than $100 million dollars in consumer electronics last year. WalMart sold more than $14 BILLION in consumer electronics. Web-based retailers sell a consumer electronics item on-line about every one-fourth of a second. (Source: Forbes) The main reason you are having such a problem is that as a small retailer, you simply can't buy, receive, warehouse, sell, and ship enough product for manufacturers or wholesalers to bother with you.

So what can you do? Think small.

Your opportunity lies in consumer electronics items that the big box stores are ignoring, but that a smaller base of consumers would absolutely want if they only knew about them. Sharper Image started with one product - a jogger's watch - and became a million dollar company in two years. Each year, hundreds of developers of new consumer electronics products descend on trade shows, place ads in trade journals, spend hours pitching to corporate buyers at big box stores -- only to be rejected. (Sometimes they even submit posts to forums like this asking why nobody seems to want their wonderful new products.) It usually isn't because their products stink, it's because they lack the mass market appeal to compete for limited catalog, truck, warehouse, and shelf space. This is where a savvy small business owner comes in.

Identify a specific consumer niche to serve, and then seek out wholesale deals on high quality, inventive products that will sell to that niche. Not only will you find reliable sources for products, your unit profit margins on those products will be much, much, much higher than they would be on deeply discounted mass market items. When Sharper Image started, their niche or initial focus was customers who valued physical fitness -- and there's no mystery about where to find those folks or how to market to them. Lands End did the same thing, only it was recreational sailors. For L.L. Bean it was fisherman. In facts, tons of big businesses like those actually began with one guy thinking small.

Think small. Hope this helps. Best wishes.

Click to view NatOnline's profile Mogul NatOnline 670 posts since
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6. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 9:00 PM
in response to: Memphis
I think Lighthouse24 is right, you need to find a niche, I believe the only opportunity for a small business online is to target a very specialized market where the big guys don't want to go because it is a market too small for them.

For example: Trying to find computers parts on Google, I found a company specialized in custom high end gaming computers, I can tell you I don't see a lot of custom computers where you can choose all the components.

Good luck
Click to view Memphis's profile Start-up Memphis 5 posts since
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7. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 9:27 PM
in response to: NatOnline
I like the advice from all of you. The small niche is a great idea. Would I assume to start searching trade ads for people / companies searching for resellers and/or distributors?

Thank you!
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
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8. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 9:45 PM
in response to: Memphis

It appears you posed this question to NatOnline, but I'll suggest that the upcoming International Consumer Electronics Show would be a "must attend" event if you want to start making the right contacts soon -- tons of exhibitors there. It may actually be a little late to get in as a retail attendee, but you could try:
http://www.cesweb.org/default.asp

Good luck!

Click to view Memphis's profile Start-up Memphis 5 posts since
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9. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 10:07 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Many thanks - I have a ways to go but I never give up!
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
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10. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 4, 2007 11:40 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Excellent advice by Lighthouse24... I would really suggest going to these shows they are talking about. It is the best way to network and find new connections for your supplies.
Click to view NatOnline's profile Mogul NatOnline 670 posts since
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11. Re: Lessons Learned-Advice Dec 5, 2007 1:17 AM
in response to: Memphis
Like Lighthouse24 suggested the CES is a great trade show, but not only this one, there are some more perhaps smaller. You need to try what is best for you.

Good luck