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Merchant Loans - Are they any good?

Nov 27, 2007 12:13 PM

Click to view AcuteHT's profile Start-up AcuteHT 4 posts since
Nov 26, 2007
There's lots of talk about merchant loans where they "loan" you money against your future sales via merchant services. Is this any good? Using this as an alternative to traditional bank loans that typically take a while or for smaller newer business that don't have enough collateral sounds like a good plan, but I'd like to learn more. Keep in mind, I'm an established business with an approved SBA loan so I'm trying to do some homework on alternate funding opportunities to grow a business and to get a good discussion going that will benefit other small businesses.

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Click to view scsurfguy's profile Professional scsurfguy 12 posts since
Oct 18, 2007
1. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 27, 2007 1:40 PM
Well, It can be good if you have a plan on making more money for your business, but most people take out loans in order to pay personal finances. If it will benefit your business in order to increase your business, then yes. But if your using it to do other things, than no. The reason for this, is the fees associated with paying it back, and if you don't, you will be banned from accepting visa, mc. There are up's and down's with accepting any type of loan, it just depends on how you plan on using it. ITS A LOAN!! plain and simple.
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
2. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 27, 2007 2:51 PM
AcuteHT,

Have you prepared a business plan for this small business venture? There are man sources of funding, but before you bite off more than you can chew it is very important to know how you plan on using the cash.

Regards.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,731 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
3. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 27, 2007 3:07 PM

I would imagine that the interest rates alone would make one very uncomfortable. Sometimes debt is unavoidable...but one should always be hesitant to enter into 'agressive interest agreements'.
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
4. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 27, 2007 3:11 PM
in response to: DomainDiva

DomainDiva,

That is not a fair statement. [This is not meant as an insult in any way] There are a lot of available accounts receivable loans which are very compatible with your traditional loans or line of credits. Sometimes it is unavoidable and a good alternative. You just have to review the terms and conditions very carefully. You can do this by hiring a small business consultant like myself. We review the terms and conditions for our clients and negotiate rate locks for the product.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,731 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
5. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 27, 2007 4:06 PM
in response to: CorpCons08
DD Posted earlier:
"I would imagine that the interest rates alone would make one very uncomfortable. Sometimes debt is unavoidable...but one should always be hesitant to enter into 'agressive interest agreements'.

I shall stand beside my 'unfair' statements.
Click to view AcuteHT's profile Start-up AcuteHT 4 posts since
Nov 26, 2007
6. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 27, 2007 5:11 PM
in response to: CorpCons08
Yes, we've done a business plan and successfully been approved previously for a SBA so we've thought the business through and worked the plan, but I wanted to get this question out there for others as well.
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
7. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 27, 2007 5:33 PM
For all the "others" then, this seems like a real life math "story problem."

Business A nets $5,000 a month. Business A could increase net profits to $7,200 a month by expanding its operation. The necessary expansion will cost $17,500. The owner of Business A, who is unable to secure a traditional loan, approaches a local "investor" who is willing to loan him the $17,500 provided the owner pays back $1,000 a month for the next two years (an annual percentage rate on the loan of 32.38 percent!). Should the owner accept the loan?

If the owner doesn't accept it, his cumulative net profit two years from now will be $120,000.
($5,000 x 24 months = $120,000)

If the owner does accept it, his cumulative net profit two years from now will be $131,300.
($7,000 x 24 months = $172,800, less $17,500 spent on the expansion, less $24,000 in payments to the "investor")

So even while paying outrageous interest, the owner would achieve 5 percent annual growth. Over a five year period, the business would net $390,500 with the loan, compared to $300,000 without it. (I obviously didn't calculate the tax consequences of the loan interest or the additional profit).

I don't think a business owner who has few other options can automatically dismiss a high interest loan just because it's a high interest loan. If you KNOW that an influx of cash will produce a tangible business return, then this is one of those cases where, "do the math" really is the right answer!

Click to view mlebovits's profile Mogul mlebovits 42 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
8. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 28, 2007 1:07 AM

Two things to think about...

First, the effective cost of merchant loans is typically in the range of over 30% per annum.

Second, you might want to confirm whether or not the blanket lien your SBA lender likely has on your business assets precludes you from using merchant loans.

Marshall
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 7,932 posts since
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9. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Nov 28, 2007 5:44 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Lighthouse, Really great answer. Using your illustration and the doing the math shows great insight.
LUCKIEST
Click to view MoneyforBiz's profile Authority MoneyforBiz 10 posts since
Feb 22, 2008
10. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Feb 22, 2008 4:42 PM
In your type of business it is a great tool based on not taking out additional loans and it being based off your future credit card sales....give me a call @ 866-283-5198 ....we do about 300 of these deals a month.....

Jason
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Click to view cashprior's profile Professional cashprior 2 posts since
Apr 1, 2008
11. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Apr 6, 2009 3:38 PM
in response to: DomainDiva
Merchant loans (AKA merchant cash advance) are more expensive than traditional bank loans, but they have some advantages, like:

  • no great credit required
  • fast funding process
  • no collateral required (you won't risk your assets)
you can read more about merchant loans in this website: http://www.mymerchantloans.com

-Dave
Click to view MMMThree's profile Professional MMMThree 6 posts since
Apr 4, 2009
12. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Apr 7, 2009 3:05 PM
Business cash advance can be a good way for a business to get the funds they need - when other sources have said no. They are expensive. Business cash advances are not really loans but advance against future sales. The financier advances funds then takes a small portion of your future sales - say 5% - until the advance is paid back. - One good option is that if you have a slow month - you are not set with a fixed payment. They still only take a small portion of your sales - leaving you with some working capital to move forward.
Click to view phanio's profile Mogul phanio 474 posts since
Apr 7, 2009
13. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Apr 7, 2009 4:05 PM
in response to: MMMThree

You are right - expensive but some times the best option for businesses that don't have a lot of other choices (especially in times like these.)

Most Business Cash Advance financiers require at least a year in business and over $5,000 per month in monthly credit card volume (from Visa/Mastercard). However, there are other advancers that only require 4 months accepting credit cards and $2,500 on average per month. They also take into account how much your accept in debit payments, checks and cash - in determining your advance limit.

Business Cash Advances can be a great way for growing business to expand - but they have to be used properly. They should not be long-term financing vehicles. If your business is having a slow period or has an opportunity to grow right now - these are great - use them, pay them back and move on. If you try to use them as long-term financing - they get really expensive and easy to abuse.

Business Money Today
Click to view wilfin's profile Mogul wilfin 106 posts since
Feb 22, 2009
14. Re: Merchant Loans - Are they any good? Apr 7, 2009 10:06 PM
in response to: phanio
Phanio.......excellent points!
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