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Click to view shangzh2000's profile Start-up shangzh2000 2 posts since
Mar 8, 2009
15. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 9, 2009 12:09 AM
in response to: NoBullFunding
OK. There is one thing I hope to know:

if I got a business loan that is not guaranteed by my personal credit(maybe the bank checks my personal credit info), will my personal assets are subjected to that liability?

thanks for your input.
Click to view Canadianbiz's profile Mogul Canadianbiz 20 posts since
Mar 8, 2009
16. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 9, 2009 1:31 PM
in response to: NoBullFunding
DONT EVER PAY SOMEONE $2500.00 UNLESS YOU ARE BUYING SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE HOME.I am from Canada,and had 2 companies do this for me.$600.00 the first time and $129.99 the second,only for them to say we cant help you.
Click to view shangzh2000's profile Start-up shangzh2000 2 posts since
Mar 8, 2009
17. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 9, 2009 1:44 PM
in response to: Canadianbiz
so, business credit is really useless? personal assets are subjected to business liability? It sounds not right. or you think it is not worthy if someone claims he can build the business credit for you?
Click to view bmt2008's profile Mogul bmt2008 305 posts since
Jul 30, 2008
18. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 9, 2009 3:39 PM
in response to: shangzh2000
Read the fine print in the loan documents - they will tell you if you have a personal liabiltiy for your business credit or if you signed a separate personal guanatee. Some lenders put personal liabilities clauses in the fine print. You just have to read your documents.
Click to view bmt2008's profile Mogul bmt2008 305 posts since
Jul 30, 2008
19. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 9, 2009 3:39 PM
in response to: shangzh2000
Business Credit is not useless - it just cannot be used like most people want to use it. If you are seeking trade credit from your suppliers or vendors - yes business credit can help - if you think you can use it in place of your personal credit when applying for a loan - becuase your personal credit is a mess - then no - it will not work for you.

Lenders just want to be repaid - they don't care if the money for repayment comes from your business or your personal income. They just want to be repaid.

Lenders usually look for three sources of repayment:

1) Conversion of business assets (turning over inventory or getting paid for your accounts receivables) or from business profits. They also look at personal income and debt levels.
2) Collateral - unless it is an unsecured loan. The collateral must have enough value to cover the loan amount as well as any fees and other costs the lender might incur if they have to take the collateral. If unsecured - lenders require that you meet higher underwriting standards and look very closely at your current income and debt levels.
3) Personal guarantees. This means that your personal assets are subject to the lender - should you not make payments. The banks just want to get repaid - they can go after savings, retirement accounts as well as personal collateral like houses, cars, etc. This also shows the lender that you have a lot of "skin in the game" and that it would be harder for you to just walk away from the loan if your personal assets are at risk.

Put yourself in their place and ask what would you require froma borrower who was asking for a loan from you - from your hard earned money.
Click to view bmt2008's profile Mogul bmt2008 305 posts since
Jul 30, 2008
20. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 9, 2009 3:39 PM
in response to: Canadianbiz

Canandianbiz - thanks for the call - I did a quick search for resources in Canada.


I found this site which appears to have good information regarding loan resources in Canada:

http://sbinfocanada.about.com/od/smallbizloans/Small_Business_Loans_Canada.htm


I also found some information on government guarantee programs (I think this is similar to our SBA loans):

The Canada Small Business Financing Program seeks to increase the availability of loans for establishing, expanding, modernizing and improving small businesses. It does this by encouraging financial institutions to make their financing available to small businesses. Under the Program, a small business must apply for a loan at a financial institution (bank, credit union or caisse populaire) of its choice. Application is not made to the Canada Small Business Financing Program Directorate. If the loan is granted by the financial institution, the federal government will reimburse 85 percent of the lender's losses in the event of default.


The +Canada Small Business Financing (++CSBF++) Act+ was enacted in April 1999 to build on the success of its predecessor, the Small Business Loans Act. The Program's objectives are to streamline loan administration, improve its ability to achieve cost recovery and to extend financing that would otherwise have been unavailable to small-and medium-size enterprises.


While Industry Canada is responsible for the administration of the Program, financial institutions are responsible for all credit decisions and for making the loans.

Click to view token88's profile Mogul token88 38 posts since
Oct 13, 2008
21. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 10, 2009 2:23 PM
first of all Staples didn't turn you down the bank did. If you are not incorporated having a ein under a sole propritership is not going to work unless you good credit because most of the times lenders are going to want you to be the guarantor. If your credit history is not strong you are going to be rejected. So having a D &B credit builder is good but again If your not incorporated you would be wasting your money. You can incorporate for the same price as a credit builder. 2nd thing you do when you do incorporate is open a bank account under your corporation, then go from there.
Click to view Canadianbiz's profile Mogul Canadianbiz 20 posts since
Mar 8, 2009
22. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 10, 2009 8:23 PM
in response to: bmt2008
Thanks alot for the info,i appreciate it.I will check this out tomorrow.Hope to hit something soon.I have a good business venture here.Thanks again.Will try neworking as well.That makes the most sense.
Click to view token88's profile Mogul token88 38 posts since
Oct 13, 2008
23. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 10, 2009 11:05 PM
in response to: Canadianbiz
IF you paid with a credit card , your back should be able to reverse the charges since they didnt provide the service they were advertising.
Click to view arttown's profile Authority arttown 6 posts since
Feb 16, 2009
24. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 12, 2009 7:54 PM
IVE READ ALL OF THE RESPONSES FROM OTHERS BUT THERE IS A WAY, I HAVE A BUSINESS PARTNER THAT CAN HELP YOU GET A BUSINESS LINE OF CREDIT UP TO 100,000 YOUR PERSONAL CREDIT DOES NOT PLAY A FACTOR IN YOU GETTING APPROVED PLEASE EMAIL ME IF I CAN HELP YOU.
Click to view alalstef's profile Start-up alalstef 1 posts since
Mar 15, 2009
25. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 17, 2009 12:56 AM
in response to: arttown
HI there maybe you can help me to get Business line of credit?

Gary
Click to view arttown's profile Authority arttown 6 posts since
Feb 16, 2009
26. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 17, 2009 12:27 PM
in response to: alalstef

I CAN HELP YOU JUST E-MAIL ME AND GIVE ME A CONTACT NUMBER. HOPE TO HEAR FORM YOU SOON! IN THE MEAN TIME TAKE A LOOK AT THIS WEB SITE www.jbizconsulting.com AND MY E-MAIL IS townsendangela22@yahoo.com .
Click to view jdizon's profile Professional jdizon 4 posts since
Mar 16, 2009
27. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 19, 2009 2:09 AM
Roland, We are in tough times. Even American Express is giving rewards to cardholders who cancel their cards with them.

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Click to view ilyab0dner's profile Mogul ilyab0dner 63 posts since
Aug 27, 2008
28. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 29, 2009 6:49 PM
in response to: jdizon
Try another company to start with. Here is some info about business credit cards that you all may have already heard about....

A true business credit card is a line of credit that is taken in the name of the business, under the business' credit. Activity, whether good or bad, is reflected on your business' credit report through D&B and other financial institutions, and the liability for any debts incurred and bills owed is with the business.However, some companies out there offer "business" credit cards which they require a person guarantee for. These institutions will often ask for a personal guarantee, and will almost always ask for a social security number from the person applying for the card. If this is the case, the credit card is not a business credit card, but is simply a personal credit card which is used for the business. The business is not liable for bills and debts - you are.When applying for a credit card for your business, watch out for areas asking for your SSN (and not your TaxID or EIN) and be wary of any credit card that asks for a personal guarantee. By ensuring that your credit card is in the name of your business, you can help to build your business' credit, while avoiding creating problems with your own.


Many companies offer a list of credit cards that are issued under the business name only. Those lists typically run $300-$900, depending on the quality of the information inquiring. I would suggest starting your search online via google or yahoo. Search for "strong business credit" (just like that in quotes) to find services that sell the information.


Good luck,

Ilya Bodner

Small Business Owner

Initial Underwriting Group

Click to view sharonvt55's profile Start-up sharonvt55 1 posts since
Mar 31, 2009
29. Re: Want to build business credit, STAPLES turned me down Mar 31, 2009 9:27 AM
As a new business Staples also turned me down. And I do have and Duns number. It didn't seem to help. I didn't want to do a personal guarantee. That's why I'm a LLC to not have to do that. Your thoughts?
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