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Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,133 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
15. Re: Advertise or die Nov 19, 2008 6:03 PM
in response to: val_cards
Thanks!! I wasn't attacking you but trying to help point out how to craft a better sales message. Sorry if it appeared otherwise.

Think about a quick headline for your site that drives these points home - quick and easy.
Click to view val_cards's profile Mogul val_cards 166 posts since
Nov 1, 2008
16. Re: Advertise or die Nov 19, 2008 6:10 PM
in response to: Iwrite
who's attacking who...let's all be friends and business associates there's much work ahead of us..let's all stay on track and remain positive!

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PS: Today I went to a networking function...it was awesome and I got some great tips and advice. I highly recommend that you all do the same.
Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,133 posts since
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17. Re: Advertise or die Nov 19, 2008 6:17 PM
in response to: val_cards
Cool.

Back to advertising.
Click to view unclefester's profile Mogul unclefester 21 posts since
Nov 17, 2008
18. Re: Advertise or die Nov 19, 2008 6:31 PM
On the issue of inexpensive or free advertising has anyone had any luck posting advertising on local store community boards, such as Fred Meyer or Safeway. These are free and open to the public, seems that people take the cards and use them. I have not tried them myself yet.

Tim
Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,133 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
19. Re: Advertise or die Nov 19, 2008 6:37 PM
in response to: unclefester
I have seen them work in Whole Foods but the message is catered to the audience. I think it might be a great way to get some local exposure if you make it stand out.

Considering the costs, maybe attach an offer to it.
Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,133 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
20. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 9:34 AM
I forgot to mention - please advertise in more than one way.

I am a huge fan of the web but how do you reach people when they aren't on the web? The same goes for radio, tv, print, direct mail, outdoor, and mobile. None of them will reach all the people you need to get your message to.

Get a better understanding of who your customers are, what they tend to do and find better ways to reach them using an advertising mix. Invest in a good website and support that with a flyer or a direct mail piece. Create engaging radio and carry that message over into your mobile messaging or your email campaign.

Don't forget web banners, community outreach (sponsor events, sports teams, and get involved with local schools, churches and civic organizations), and get out and meet people - you are your best advertising. Hand out coupons and talk to people.

Sometimes one thing works so well that we over look or forget that there are other ways to reach people.

I should have included this when I started this post. Sorry for missing it.
Click to view puzzleman's profile Mogul puzzleman 297 posts since
Oct 11, 2007
21. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 4:11 PM
in response to: Iwrite
Val Cards, I like as good deal as anyone else but I wonder why giving a discount will win life long customers. My goal is to have life long customers that sing my praises to everyone they know.

If you are looking for price shoppers, they will move to the next lowest price the next time they need you. so many people get caught up in the Walmart mentality that you that the only way to increase sales is to lower prices.

I sell myself and my products on their quality and have the customer feel good about their purchase. I want them to tell their friends, neighbors etc. about how great my products are. I have even told my customers that I charge more than my competitors and then told them why even though I charge more, in the long run my prices are a better buy. It takes courage to do so and it took me a while to get that brave.

Jim
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,402 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
22. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 4:22 PM
in response to: puzzleman
Puzzleman, I don't disagree with your position at all. Discounts do help attract FIRST TIME customers for some products and services. It's up to the business owner to ensure that they become LIFE LONG customers for reasons other than price after that.
Click to view val_cards's profile Mogul val_cards 166 posts since
Nov 1, 2008
23. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 4:42 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Puzzleman, your point is extremely valid...it is up to the business owner who procures each new customer through effective advertising methods and develops customer loyalty by providing exceptional service along with a fair price.

It is mind blowing to see the amounts of monies being spent advertising goods and services using traditional print ads...many a time these valuable savings offered are thrown in the trash because there's just too much being sent through the mail.

Val-Card is environmentally friendly...the discounts and savings featured on Val-Card can be redeemed at the participating merchants listed on Val-Card for a period of 6 months with no coupons to cut. Val-Card itself is made of an environmentally friendly plastic that doesn't harm the environment when produced or discarded. visit: http://www.val-card.org/val-cards/

I welcome your feedback and comments...Val
Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,133 posts since
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24. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 4:59 PM
in response to: val_cards
I think the correct answer lies somewhere between the views expressed. Not all products need a discount to attract first time buyers but for some it may be necessary. I think Puzzleman cannot be ignored, he has shaped a message that explains the value of his product. His market may be smaller but that is a decision he has made and seems to accept. On the other hand, if I was in the food service business I might be interested in having a Val-Card. The difference is understanding your customers and how they view your product.

What is missing is that small business owners leave it up to the customer to decide who or what the business is about - that is a mistake. I like what Puzzleman is doing because he is establishing his product as being of a higher quality. It sends a strong message to people buying for a loved one, it tells them that they are getting only the best. they may be purchasing an heirloom toy, something that can be passed down. He can charge more with this story, and should. I think the Val-Cards has great value for some and not so much for others. I don't want the store where I buy my business clothes to use it because it goes against their image in my head. But I would be happy if my favorite pizza place offered.

It doesn't have to be one way or the other. It really boils down to the business and what they are trying to say to their customers. It starts with knowing and understanding them.

It stills comes back to the message being communicated. Or at least it does for me.
Click to view deepoet's profile Mogul deepoet 36 posts since
Nov 9, 2008
25. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 5:12 PM
in response to: intechspecial
I agree. Advertise or die. What most people don't know is that to effectively advertise you have to understand the law of attraction. Also you have to understand the law of human nature. Treat people the way you want to be treated and don't B.S. them because it'll only hurt you in the long run. I agree to everyone's comment. We have to be committed and just keep advertising. People are people and we know that because we are who we are. It takes time for most of us to give something or someone a try. Very rarely will we run off and jump into a barrel for fun going down stream because we heard about it once. We'll have to hear it agian and again and again and again and again and again and ........"OK ...OK let me give this a try I've seen it so much, heard about it so much, my neighbors are talking about it and so are my family".........you get the idea.

We can't build a hill with a shovel full of dirt we have to keep hitting the ads like it's our last meal ticket everyday.

Honestlly my other businesses are moving slow right now but they are still moving and I just joined a new one yesterday and the potential looks great. Part-time work for full time payment. No investment for 7 days. Here's the website if you're interested in change for your business. Just watch the video. http://www.freedom.ws/darrylcrawford
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,458 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
26. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 5:14 PM
in response to: Iwrite

Yes I was not trying to do anything but post my response to your topic, as well as your response to someone else.


I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,458 posts since
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27. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 5:15 PM
in response to: Iwrite
I am sorry but I am only trying to be a part of this community, as it is of my understanding that this is a public community and not exclusive.
Click to view val_cards's profile Mogul val_cards 166 posts since
Nov 1, 2008
28. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 5:19 PM
in response to: Iwrite
Dear Iwrite:

Re: I don't want the store where I buy my business clothes to use it because it goes against their image in my head. But I would be happy if my favorite pizza place offered.

I have never known anyone not to want a good merchandising deal that offers value, quality and increases sales.. I come from a menswear manufacturing family. It is my understanding that in todays economic climate all brands are offering discounts to drive in sales. However you may be a different type of consumer and I respect that.
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,458 posts since
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29. Re: Advertise or die Nov 20, 2008 5:22 PM
in response to: val_cards
Yes I was by no means trying to attack anyone.

Like val_cards I only wish to make friends with people, and have a place where I can openly post my views.
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