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30 Replies Last post: Dec 25, 2008 11:38 PM by intechspecial

SBOC - The Real Leader Board

Nov 16, 2008 3:08 AM

intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008

So out of sure boredom, I ran some numbers on the leader board to see how the board might look if the way things were done was slightly different.

Here is what I did:
I took the points for the top 14 contributors and then divided their points by the number of posts, and here is the "Unofficial Leader Board"

#1 Adducent 6.1058 Average from 1,154 points.
#2 Fortis 5.731 Average from 1,324 points.
#3 Bridge 5.6985 Average from 1,550 points.
#4 SBOC 5.6309 Average from 946 points
#*5 Designer* 5.4338 Average from 1,776 points.
#*6 Iwrite* 5.3214 Average from 3,278 points
#7 amspcs 5.2488 Average from 1,139 points
#8 puzzle 5.0688 Average from 1,105 points
#9 DomainDiva 4.6931 Average from 4,769 points
#10 Lighthouse 4.6820 Average from 9,561 points
#11 inTechSpecial 4.6394 Average from 5,340 points
#12 Luckiest 4.1041 Average from 24,550 points.
#13 natonline 3.2389 Average from 1,979 points.
#14 CorpCon 2.4606 Average from 2,778 points.

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intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008

1. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 3:21 AM

Obviously this changed things extremely, but I think we should take things into factor if we were to change how scoring was given.

Some things that would have to be considered:

Luckiest might be #10 but with a total of 24,550 points this shows pure dedication. A person that has 10 points and an average of 10.0000 per post should not be compared to someone that has 22,000 points. This could be pure luck.

CorpCon has an average of 2.4 points per post. Should their be a penalty for a low ratio?

Obviously this would changes things drastically as the current top four leaders would barely be in the top 10 if we were to change the board to accomodate community feedback. Posts are only removed if there is a response from the community that states something is inappropriate, and the unoffical board seems a little more accurate if we placed leaders in order of average feedback the community gives them.

To many changes means that some of the leaders work would be wiped of the map.

What is your opinion about this?

Each post you offer gives you 5 points. If your post is removed you lose points but you keep the same amount of posts. If your answer is marked as correct you get an extra point or two.

My final analysis: the board is at the very least: moderately accurate, and although competition may heat up, I believe no one will be able to knock off the current leader Luckiest, and it would be a waisted effort to even try.

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Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007

2. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 12:26 PM

I honestly don't care. I've never used my name or my businesses' names in any post, so whether Lighthouse24 is listed on the board or not is unimportant to me.

I do care when people acknowledge that an answer was helpful, and when they say thank you. And it bothers me a little when they don't (especially if I'm offering a response that would have cost them time and money to get otherwise). Although it's rare in this community, I really like it when someone I've helped follows up later with something of value to me. That's how new business relationships develop.

A couple of months back, someone asked about the business relationships that had developed through this site. As I recall, there was only one response (Diva and Iwrite). With almost 25,000 members, that would be what, one of out a potential 625 million opportunities? Kind of sad, really.

I understand why the moderators set up a "participation = points" format in the beginning when there was very little content here. (As I recall, when I joined, the Home Based Business forum had only 18 threads -- and two of the Running Your Business forums didn't have any posts at all yet). Now that there's content, I'd like to see the "leader board" changed to match those in other established communities -- a post gets nothing, only helpful and correct answers get points. In other words, the "top contributors" would really be true "contributors" to the community and it's value as a business information and education forum.

I don't know where I'd be ranked if they went back to the beginning and recalculated all of our past contributions on that basis, but I think it would improve the quality of responses, and reduce some of the garbage.

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Mongoose 270 posts since
Nov 2, 2008

3. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 2:04 PM

in response to: Lighthouse24

I completely agree with Lighthouse24, as contribution should be measured in helpful response and participation, rather than just mindless chatter. Any one of us can just respond with 'I do concur' and get points. Here's some quick math. 15 posts per page, 428 pages, 5 points per post. ((15*428)*5) = 32,100 points, well above what everyone has now. It would take alot of effort, but bare with me as I'm just making a point. I don't really care what my points are now, since they are skewed by this system. I'm not sore about this, so don't think I'm being harsh on the board and it's ways, I would just like to see more worthwhile conversation going on.

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intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008

4. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 2:55 PM

in response to: Mongoose

I agree completely with you both!

This is the point of this SBOC unofficial board.

Once again, if your post is found offensive by anyone in the community or the SBOC staff feels that it is inappropriate, it will be removed.

So the more posts you have removed, the worse your average.

This board truly points out how the community truly feels about its top members.

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intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008

5. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 3:06 PM

in response to: Mongoose

Just an FYI Mongoose, the community seems to like your efforts!

Mongoose 5.4859 Average from 779 points

It seems to me the more people do not like your posts, the more your average drops.

So far so good.

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Mongoose 270 posts since
Nov 2, 2008

6. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 4:25 PM

in response to: intechspecial

Mike,

Thanks for the compliment! I am hoping to both network and learn here--- if only THAT could be measured!
Do you or anyone else here have access to the moderators here?
I think it's a great idea to have some sense of "quality" on the boards, however implemented.

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Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007

7. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 4:50 PM

in response to: Lighthouse24

First, let me start by stating that I don't pay attention to the leader board.

That being said, changing how it is determined is not an issue to me. What concerns me is trying to gauge the value of answers. People on this forum are at so many different levels that sometimes the simple answers are of huge help to some and not to others. Then you have individuals who cannot recognize real answers for whatever reasons. I worry that the push is towards a more elitist feel by some. An attitude that only certain people are worthy of answering or being heard.

Whatever changes are made, I hope it takes into consideration these types of concerns. I wish there was a system to deal with abusive behavior also. Some people feel like this is their own little kingdom to lord over. I am more concern with that than a leader board because it makes this forum attractive to participate in.

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Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007

8. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 5:01 PM

in response to: Iwrite

Good point, Iwrite! I hadn't really thought about that, but I participate in a forum for the publishing industry where most of posts/questions come from novices, and therefore most of the points awarded are done so by people who really don't know whether an answer it right or not. It's amazing how many "bad" answers are marked as the "best" answers there. A lot of people who are not really all that knowledgeable (yet apparently seem so to others who are even less knowledgeable) are the "leaders" there. Ah well, what can you do?

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intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008

9. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 5:06 PM

Here are some more facts, that might help us to get a clearer view on things.

Of of the complaints, I have heard time and time again, and I am sure the SBOC staff has heard as well is complaints about repetitive posters.

The great thing about these types of complaints is that numbers do not always support the accusations. People may always lie, and change the way data is construed, but data is based in science and not emotion.

The numbers just do not lie.

I ran some numbers, and here is what I did:

I took the top 14 contributors. I took the number of posts they have offered, and then divided it buy the number of days they have been a part of the community.

Here are the results:

SBOCteam July 27, 2007 168 posts .35/day .01/hr 1 post every 4 days
Puzzleman Oct 11, 2007 218 posts .54/day .02/hr 1 post ever 2 days
Amspcs Oct 18, 2007 217 posts .55/day .02/hr 1 post ever 2 days
Adducent May 22, 2008 189 posts 1.06/day .04/hr 1 post per day
Designer Feb 28, 2008 325 posts 1.24/day .05/hr 1 post per day
NatOnline October 10, 2007 611 posts 1.52/day .06/hr 1.5 posts per day
Bridge June 3, 2008 272 posts 1.64/day .07/hr 1.5 posts per day
iWrite December 29, 2007 616 posts 1.90/day .08/hr 2 posts per day
Fortis July 24, 2008 231 posts 2.01/day .08/hr 2 posts per day
DomainDiva October 10, 2007 1,162 posts 2.88/day .12/hr 3 posts per day
CorpCon November 14, 2007 1,129 posts 3.07/day .13/hr 3 posts per day
Intechspecial January 6, 2008 1,163 posts 3.69/day .15/hr 4 posts per day
Lighthouse24 October 10, 2007 2.048 posts 5.08/day .21/hr 5 posts per day
Luckiest Aug 6, 2007 5,235 posts 11.19/day .47/hr 12 posts per day

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intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008

10. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 5:17 PM

in response to: intechspecial

So my next question is this.

Luckiest, intechspecial, and Lighthouse post more per day then anyone else.

Should they be penalized for this?

Should the SBOCteam be penalized for their lack of posting per day?

The real point of this thread is to ask this question:

If a community member is following the rules set in place by the SBOC team, why should they not be allowed to post? Why are others openly allowed to harass them?

Just because a member does not like another member, does that give him the right to start a community wide ban on that member?

We live in a country that is protected by Freedom of Speach, it is our Constitutional right.

If this board is to be exclusive towards certain members or people, why is this board not then private?

If I walk into a public restaurant no one has the right to tell me I cannot be there based on the rights set in the constitution.

The bottom line is this, for this community to succeed, we must work together as a community, and this means we accept all that would like to join regardless of our differences.

The more the community spends efforts in regards to banning and controlling members, the more this community will continue to fail.

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Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007

11. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 5:17 PM

in response to: intechspecial

Nope numbers don't lie . . . how about running them for just the last 30 days?

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intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008

12. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 5:32 PM

in response to: Lighthouse24

I might do this, just to honor your request.

I will step away shortly, and see what I can do.

I am interested as to why you request I do this?

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Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007

13. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 16, 2008 5:35 PM

in response to: Lighthouse24

Lighthouse,

If you would, please email me at dereklw@mail.com?

Thanks

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intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008

14. Re: SBOC - The Real Leader Board Nov 19, 2008 5:58 AM

in response to: Iwrite

Where you able to figure things out as of yet?

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