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Click to view wildgift's profile Professional wildgift 4 posts since
Apr 7, 2008
15. Re: Where should I go to have a web based application built?? Apr 7, 2008 5:55 AM
I'm yet another programmer, but more on the development side than the design side. Also, i recently exited the market and am in a regular IT job, and have now become a customer.

I think the main thing you need to find is an designer/project-manager who knows a few different developers to work with. In my experience, the kind of development your're seeking will be either "cookie cutter" or "custom" (aka "bespoke"). In the former type of development, you purchase an application, and configure or extend it for your purposes. In the latter, you purchase the labor of a programmer to create your application.

Obviously, the former will be far less expensive. It could also be less successful, if you have tough competition -- because you're competing on the quality of your software. But, beware that custom code is very, very expensive. I couldn't see doing the programming for your site for less than $10,000, and the result would be less full-featured than whatever imeem has. (Of course, most of the features aren't visible to the users - the real work is in reporting and analysis.) Also, the graphics usually cost the same as the programming, if you want it to look "legit" - so, another $10,000. Just to be realistic, I might give a quote of $30,000, because you will have a lot of media, and that takes some domain knowledge, as well as additional code to handle music uploads and downloads, in bulk.

Software isn't cheap. Even if you hired foreign programmers, you'd need to have a local quasi-hacker to translate what you want into what you really need. The artist would cost the same, because it's hard to get the right "look" from someone in another country.

Now, if you just need a spartan looking site, and you find canned software that works, you can get the thing going for a lot less money.

Also, all that said, there might be something to be said for testing your idea out without software first. Do it "by hand" for some clients, first, then see if the like to pay the price you're asking. Identify the need, and fill it, and see if it's profitable. Maybe you can do it by installing PCs to play music at the stores. Then, once you know it works, take the concept online. All the money spent up-front to build your catalog, your relationships with the copyright administrators, and stores will serve as a barrier to entry for competitors. Make the site plain, and hard to access at first, so the competition can't copy you immediately.

There's a lot to be said for developing the product before the software, because changes in software cost more after the system is operational and public.
Click to view holdenweb's profile Start-up holdenweb 1 posts since
Apr 8, 2008
16. Re: Where should I go to have a web based application built?? Apr 9, 2008 12:07 AM
This is a tricky question, because web site design and build has become a very competitive business. That's good because it keeps your price down and stops people from gouging you too much, but it's bad because it has attracted a lot of mediocre talent into the market place.

If you work with other small businesses, look at their web sites and ask the companies with the ones that most appeal to you who did the work. Personal recommendation is invaluable, if you get get one. Alternatively, surf the web (using Google to keep your search as local as possible) to find sites you like. Often the design company will have a link to their own site (my designer has, see the bottom right-hand corner of the http://holdenweb.com/ pages, but sadly he's in the UK, so no good to you).

I would recommend against using an overseas company: they can have very attractive rates, but the quality is very variable, and managing a project across time zones is a skill that takes a while to acquire. Also, try and get a site that allows you to do some of the content editing yourself.

regards
Steve
Click to view ecomconsult's profile Mogul ecomconsult 19 posts since
Mar 20, 2008
17. Re: Where should I go to have a web based application built?? Apr 9, 2008 3:46 AM
in response to: holdenweb
I would partly agree with Steve for the fact that Web design business
has attracted a lot of mediocre people but when online marketplaces
like Elance and Guru have strong feedback rating systems this is taken
care of well. So making an apprehension that overseas companies provide
poor quality of web design service and managing your project over a
different timezone needs skills of rocket science is not quite
digestible. I do not mean to offend but this particular justification
would have made sense 5-7 years back that too for someone who is doing
it for the first time.

Competition improves quality and on online service marketplaces like
Elance and Guru when all web development companies have surely grown
up. They are competing with the best not only in terms of price but
quality as well. I don't know how would justify a company on quality if
it has been getting 100% positive feedback over 10 years on a buyer
driven marketplace.

In the end if you do good offers and bad offers you can easily find who
has been doing well for a business/website like you. See their work and
compare for the quality yourself.

Managing your project over a different timezone would only be affected
by the time difference and internet has brought plenty of revolution in
reducing this difference years back.
Click to view IAmSpartacus's profile Mogul IAmSpartacus 20 posts since
Mar 28, 2008
18. Re: Where should I go to have a web based application built?? Apr 10, 2008 10:24 AM
Another platform to consider it DotNetNuke. Based on your short description, it sound like it can do what you need right out of the box with standard modules. It would therefore be quite inexpensive to at least get off of the ground.

When looking to partner with a technology company, there is one golden rule I often advise people to follow that I think is more important than anything else... Ask them to tell talk to you about YOUR business and if they can tell you something you didn't already know, you've found your partner.

Web design and development have become commodities. You are no doubt capable of determining whether or not a company has the appropriate level of experience and track record for customer satisfaction. These things are easily verified. So the differentiator is going to be someone who has some knowledge of the space in which you're operating and can therefore add value to the process. This will help avoid the very common situation of having a web development company (or any technology consultant for that matter) deliver exactly what you asked for, but not what you wanted.

I have written a couple of blog posts where you might find some more useful advice:

http://domesticateit.blogspot.com/2008/03
/do-you-speak-geek.html

http://domesticateit.blogspot.com/2008/03
/people-versus-process.html
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
19. Re: Where should I go to have a web based application built?? Nov 9, 2008 11:29 PM
in response to: IAmSpartacus
dotnetnuke is a great option, and I would have to reccomend this as one of the best.

ASP.net developers will agree with me on this one.
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