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16 Replies Last post: Dec 4, 2008 3:38 PM by websolutions

MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET!

Sep 4, 2008 3:27 AM

Click to view orientalrugny's profile Start-up orientalrugny 1 posts since
Sep 3, 2008

One year ago I started to notice someone is publishing scams reports about me through reviews
on the internet!
So when costumers are trying to look me through search engines thay can see
reviews about me in the first page result refering me and my business as unprofesional and as a rip off, plus under the reviews he is also
using this chance to advertise his own business.

This person has taken interst in the areas i work at, even that im working in New York
and his business is way back in Arizona.
I spand thousands of dollars a month over internet advertising and this guy is stealing my buisness.
I dont know what to do about it and how to fight it.

I already tried to address google and other search engines which i advertise at with no satisfying response!
I hope u can help me cause im getting hopeless about it.

This is my E-Mail if someone can help!
info@orientalrugcareny.com
Oriental Rug Care NY

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1. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 4, 2008 5:28 AM

orientalrugny Have you contacted your lawyer??
Click to view Equinnox's profile Start-up Equinnox 1 posts since
Sep 4, 2008
2. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 4, 2008 11:59 PM
Dear Sir:
I saw that there were a couple of positive posts on your behalf at the same site where the complaints were posted, this is good for you. However, you may want to post your own rebuf. It is important that prospective customers hear from you directly. Also, if you can, get a law firm to draft a letter of "Cease and desist" to the guy/company spreading the false accusations. Post a letter, signed and sworn by you, in a separate page of your website were a prospective customer can, with the use of a password that you provide at the "rip-off post site", access or read the special sworn letter by you in which you attest to the truth about your honesty, good reputation, etc. and place testimonials from satisfied customers there. Don't forget to write your rebuf at every website were this guy is trashing you at.
Hope this helps.
Fred
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
3. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 8:50 AM
Contact an attorney who specializes in internet affairs. Get screen shots of all of defaming posts. Start building a case instead of wringing your hands and trying to deal with an internet marketing company. If your business gets stolen you are the one letting it happen.

Your attorney can request/force (by court order) this person to 'prove' the allegations that he/she is making about you in public. If these allegations cannot be proven and are false then the posts will have to be removed.

You could also open a my space/linkedin page and start writing about oriental rug care, start building a network as well.
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Aug 5, 2008
4. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 10:03 AM
in response to: DomainDiva
Post a complaint through http://www.ic3.gov. This site is specifically set up to investigate criminal activity on the internet and is part of a joint effort including the FBI on internet crime. Our taxes pay for it.

They may also tell you to contact your lawyer. However, I have had to use them in the past to deal with false online statements and threats and they act pretty quickly. It never hurts to have someone from the FBI or local police contact a libelous poster to demand that statements are removed from the internet.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
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5. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 10:13 AM
in response to: MotorDoc
Thanks for this information, I am making a note of the website. I urge all forum members to do tthe same.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
6. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 10:18 AM
in response to: MotorDoc
The link you posted does not work.
Click to view MotorDoc's profile Mogul MotorDoc 19 posts since
Aug 5, 2008
7. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 10:26 AM
in response to: DomainDiva

Not sure why, try this one: http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx


It did not work for me either when linking from this site. The above is the full address to the main page.

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Aug 5, 2008
8. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 10:28 AM
in response to: DomainDiva
The full address should be http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

I also tried linking through my post. For whatever reason, it did not want to link.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
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9. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 10:33 AM
in response to: MotorDoc
Works perfect. Thanks for the info!!!
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
10. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 11:32 AM

The suggestions above are all great. One point hasn't been mentioned yet: As a business owner, something you'll want to be doing right now is gathering and documenting evidence of your damages. The process of contacting the other business, involving attorneys, etc. will result in one of two things -- those folks will either stop what they're doing or they won't. If they don't, the FBI isn't going to haul them off to jail for trash-talking. You'll have to file a lawsuit (a tort claim) -- at which point you'll have to prove your damages (i.e., show conclusive evidence of the business revenue that they have stolen from you as a result of those web postings). If you intend to pursue this matter, now is the time to start collecting that evidence.

I have found that gathering evidence of damages helps you choose (and fight) your battles more wisely. For instance, from time to time, I see something that I wrote or that my firm published posted on the net verbatim with someone else's name on it. That's copyright infringement, plain and simple, and it makes me angry. I ask them to take it down or add the proper citation. If they ignore the request, I have to gather evidence of damages. If I can't really come up with much (in other words, if them claiming to be something they're not isn't taking any real money out of my pocket), then I have let "karma" deal with it. Believe me, it doesn't make it any less frustrating when I see my work posted with someone else's name, but ultimately it's a business decision. Of course, if they do eventually generate revenue as a result of having used my work, then I'll already have what I need to lay claim to it.

Good luck with this matter.
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11. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 1:22 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Lighthouse

You have protection for copyright through the US PTO with your articles, regardless of whether or not you state copyright or place a copyright notice on the document. The complaint should be launched through the US PTO, as this is part of the new (OK, late 1990's) copyright rules.

However, you cannot claim damages on the copyright infringement unless you register the copyright and can show the damages. At the same time, the US PTO can fine or even imprison the criminal(s).

Copyright issues are something of specific concern to me because of the number of publications, training material and books I have published and the amount of revenue I have lost to infringement. If you are having problems with copyright, lawyers can be quite expensive. My decision this year was to join the National Writers Union (UAW Local 1981) for a few hundred dollars and use their grievance process to pursue the violators.

Howard
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
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12. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 4:50 PM
in response to: MotorDoc

Thanks for the info MotorDoc. I have quite a few registered copyrights (some dating back over 40 years), so my attorney and I have more than a casual knowledge of copyright law. A federal prosecutor is the person who must file the type of felony infringement suit you're referring to, and will generally only do so if the copyright owner can show that the infringement was willful, done for the purpose of commercial gain, and resulted in more than $2,500 within a 180 day period. There are only 93 federal prosecutors in the U.S. and all its territories, and in my experience, they won't investigate unless the complaint offers solid evidence of all those conditions up front -- and even then, it's an understandably low priority (considering every other type of federal case they have in their backlog). Yes, the law is there, but in reality, it's the civil case that gets action. Either way, the business owner has to collect the evidence to even HAVE a case -- which is all I was suggesting in my initial post. Thanks again for the comments.
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
13. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Sep 5, 2008 5:06 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
P.S. The articles I was talking about don't even earn ME $2,500 in a 180-day period! (LOL)
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14. Re: MY BUSINESS AS BEING STOLEN THROUGH THE NET! Dec 4, 2008 4:44 AM

I googled your company and came up with the posts you were talking about... He also claims that http://www.masterweaversny.net/services.html is the same company as Oriental Rug Care NY. I would hope that it is not, as on that page, Master Weavers NY didnt even bother to remove the other company's name when they copied and pasted.
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