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19 Replies Last post: Sep 3, 2008 12:29 PM by puzzleman

Salaried employees working overtime

Aug 30, 2008 9:17 AM

Click to view exhibitbiz's profile Professional exhibitbiz 8 posts since
Aug 30, 2008
I have a start-up business with my first employee. When I worked for another employer, I always put in long hours with no overtime pay. We work in a creative field and that was just part of it. Now that I have my own business in the same field, I find it difficult to motivate my young employee (3-4 years out of college) to work over 40 hours per week. Prior to hiring, I explained that this is not a 40 hour per week job, and that it would average 50+ hours per week. I've previously tried bonuses based on productivity, now I've moved to an overtime policy of salary plus straight time after 50 hours, and still not getting results.

Am I being unrealistic in my expectations?
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Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
1. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 9:48 AM
No,you have an unmotivated person...all the carrots in the world will not get this child moving. Anyone that cares about the job will bust it to get the work done....
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Aug 6, 2007
2. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 9:54 AM
Salaried employees working overtime, Welcome

Do you have an accountant?? Who is charge of Payroll.

Overtime is the amount of time someone works beyond normal working hours.
Normal hours may be determined in several ways:
  • by custom (what is considered healthy or reasonable by society),
  • by practices of a given trade or profession,
  • by legislation,
  • by agreement between employers and workers or their representatives.

*Overtime pay rates can cause workers to work longer hours than they
would at a flat hourly rate.*

Be careful, LUCKIEST

Click to view exhibitbiz's profile Professional exhibitbiz 8 posts since
Aug 30, 2008
3. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 9:58 AM
in response to: DomainDiva
Thanks for your reply, DomainDiva, that was my suspicion. Great to hear feedback from someone in the community.
Click to view exhibitbiz's profile Professional exhibitbiz 8 posts since
Aug 30, 2008
4. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 10:20 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST
Luckiest, thanks for your reply. I'm in charge of payroll. I hire an accountant to calculate taxes and write the checks, but I give them the gross pay figures.

Maybe overtime isn't the correct word here. Basically, I'm acknowledging that I need my employee to work long hours more than occasionally but willing to reward for it. I'm trying to decide if I should change my reward system (again) or try to find a more motivated employee willing to put in the hours.
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 7,935 posts since
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5. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 11:31 AM
in response to: exhibitbiz
Salaried employees working overtime

O K, Lets try another approach. Where are you??, like city and state??
What type of business?? Is it common in your field for an employee to work longer hours??

Finally as you stated, maybe you need to find a more motivated employee.
Do you know about SCORE?? SCORE is FREE and may be able to help.

Again LUCKIEST
Click to view A_Ellicott's profile Mogul A_Ellicott 48 posts since
Jul 11, 2008
6. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 11:32 AM
I've seen a number of articles that emphasize that today's young workers are not motivated as much by money and climbing the corporate ladder as their parents were. So you need to ask yourself. Do you have an unmotivated worker; or do you have a worker that is not motivated by the same things that motivate you?

I suggest you consider new ideas. You mentioned you work in the creative field. Could you let this worker have more creative control over their work? A lot of young people look for jobs where they fee that their contribution is important and valued. What about a flexible schedule? Relaxed work rules and/or dress code? Lastly, why not just ask?

We've all read stories about kids working at the high-tech startup putting in 20 hour days fueled by nothing but pizza and beer. That shows that being young does not automatically equal being lazy or unmotivated. Before giving up on this worker, try some different things. You might be pleasantly surpised.
Click to view exhibitbiz's profile Professional exhibitbiz 8 posts since
Aug 30, 2008
7. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 12:01 PM
in response to: A_Ellicott
Thanks for your reply. I've tried most of the things you've mentioned.

More creative control - I give it where I can but there's quite a learning curve to our industry, custom exhibit design, so a lot of design direction is involved with someone new to the industry. We covered that in our initial interviews.

Flexible schedule - I offered that, but ended up with people showing up late and leaving after 8 hours. I still have a policy that allows you to come in later if you worked late the previous night. I also bought new Mac laptops so people could work at home, but that doesn't happen unless I press the issue. I also buy dinner if we work 'til 8:00 or later.

Relaxed work rules and dress code - we have an informal atmosphere and dress code.

Asking - I have on several occasions and it lasts for a week or two.

As I write this I think I'm getting my answer...
Click to view exhibitbiz's profile Professional exhibitbiz 8 posts since
Aug 30, 2008
8. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 12:12 PM
in response to: LUCKIEST
We work outside Atlanta, GA, and we are a creative consulting firm. We design custom exhibits for trade shows, museums, and corporate interiors. And yes, its very common for exhibit designers to put in long hours. With all the recent press about employees suing for unpaid overtime, I've researched and we're not subject to those rulings because we're a creative firm. So my question is more about employee motivation rather than compensation.

I've used SCORE before in a previous business venture years ago and I agree, it'd be a good idea to contact them.
Click to view exhibitbiz's profile Professional exhibitbiz 8 posts since
Aug 30, 2008
9. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 1:12 PM
Marked answered by mistake, would love to hear additional feedback
Click to view DMIGUY's profile Mogul DMIGUY 82 posts since
May 14, 2008
10. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 1:27 PM
in response to: exhibitbiz
First, I wouldn't count on the exemption working. Anyone can sue, and someone that is not motivated per se might look for any reason to sue.

That said, I'll relate a quick story. A friend of mine worked as a partner in a huge advertising company in New York, and found himself with unrealistic deadlines and employees that didn't comprehend the term "urgency". And the idea of 12 hour days (still not enough, but at least helpful) were unheard of.

He chose this tack.

He told all of his subordinates that from the 1st of the next month, they would all be working 6 hour days, and he would be hiring people to work the other 6 hours.

Some quit, some got motivated. Those that did get motivated, and were willing to put in the time, ended up with sufficient perks to make them realize that the time spent wasn't punishment, but just part of the industry.

It seemed a bit drastic at the time, but the company's success indicated that it was a great move.
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
11. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 1:37 PM

To confirm the facts: This is an exempt (from overtime) employee, meaning that he/she earns at least $455/week and his/her primary duty requires advanced knowledge in a field that's customarily acquired by a prolonged course of specialized instruction above the high school level, and includes work requiring the consistent exercise of discretion and judgment.

If all that is correct, the issue is not what time the employee comes in or leaves -- that's really irrelevant. The issue is whether or not he/she is getting the job done. In other words, your coaching or disciplinary discussions must focus on the specific assigned work goals, standards, or expectations that the employee failed to meet -- not how many hours he/she was at work.

Hope that helps. Good luck.
Click to view exhibitbiz's profile Professional exhibitbiz 8 posts since
Aug 30, 2008
12. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 1:43 PM
in response to: DMIGUY
I LOVE IT!!! That's outside the box thinking! I may not go to that extreme (then again, maybe I will) but that certainly opens the options available.
Click to view exhibitbiz's profile Professional exhibitbiz 8 posts since
Aug 30, 2008
13. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 1:46 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Yes, all correct and that does help. Thank you for your response.
Click to view A_Ellicott's profile Mogul A_Ellicott 48 posts since
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14. Re: Salaried employees working overtime Aug 30, 2008 5:54 PM
in response to: exhibitbiz
"As I write this I think I'm getting my answer..."

Yeah, I think maybe you are. Sounds like you've really tried.
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