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Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company?

Oct 17, 2007 9:49 PM

Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
Had given the fee upfront to a web designing company to make my site and it has been 3 1/2 months since then. I had found this company online while bidding and initially I was given all sorts of excuses for the delay in the work. And now there is no response at all! Please advise how I can get my money back from them.
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Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 7,935 posts since
Aug 6, 2007
1. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 18, 2007 6:55 AM
How did you pay the fee to the web designing co??
Did you pay by Credit Card?? Check??
If by Credit Card, you can deduct the amount from your balance, file a complaint
with the card and they will go to bat for you.
If by Check and you mailed the check out of state, the post office should be of help.
Then you can always contact a Lawyer and the Better business Bureau.
Good luck, LUCKIEST
Click to view BDS INC's profile Founders BDS INC 131 posts since
Jul 20, 2007
2. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 18, 2007 9:14 AM
You can also contact the state office where they do business and put in a formal complaint with them. Sometimes, if you can prove criminal negligence - (i.e they have taken your funds and never attempted to do the work) then their business license can be revoked.

Good luck
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
3. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 18, 2007 9:45 AM

All of the above answers are great I would add making a complaint with the State(s) Attorney General(s) division of consumer fraud. If you are in one state and the design company is in another then it becomes a federal interstate commerce issue.

You can also file a complaint with the US AG's office of consumer affairs. Try to find who their ISP is/was and file a complaint with them as well. The point is to leave no stone unturned. Your wrath must know no bounds.
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
4. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 18, 2007 11:00 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST
I had made the payment with a credit card via paypal in July. Is there a way to go around holding payments in this case?

Does BBB really help?

Thanks
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
5. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 18, 2007 11:02 AM
in response to: DomainDiva
Thank you so much....I have just filed a complaint with the State attorney.

How long do you think this procedure takes?

Thanks again
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
6. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 18, 2007 11:05 AM
in response to: BDS INC
I appreciate yor reply and would like to ask if there was a website to go about for this?
I am in Georgia state..
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
7. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 18, 2007 11:12 AM
in response to: divmehar
Contact PayPal directly. They are vigilant when it comes to fraud and will help as well. PayPal will pull their PayPal account if they are dealing fraudulently with customers...that reflects badly on PayPal and they do not want that!.

Contact the credit card company. You will have to dispute the charge and I am not sure if there is a 'limitation' on the time between the charge and the dispute. Then you will have to fill out a dispute form and get it back to them. Better yet, check the back of your credit card statement, there are usually instructions on what to do if you are disputing a charge, but you will need to call them, get it noted on your record and get a case #.

The State Attorney General has a website in GA, just google it and it will come up. Go to the consumer fraud icon and click through...instructions for filing a complaint will be there.

Post a notice about them on the internet. Bad publicity travels fast. Again...,your wrath must know no bounds.....
Click to view NatOnline's profile Mogul NatOnline 670 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
8. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 1:14 AM

You can fill a complaint there: http://www.ic3.gov/

I will complaint to many ways:

Contact the city licences department of this design company
Business Bureau
You can contact his hosting company too

Credit card fraud department

With PayPal I am not sure, because there is no goods.

Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
9. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 2:57 AM
I had the same problem with a project site that one of my teams was setting up (perhaps the same company). I authorized on-line payment using a credit card (AMEX) through a PayPal portal. Four months later, I was advised that the team hadn't received squat. Like you, I tried to resolve it with the design company myself without success. We then started pursuing all the options suggested above (all of which are good recommendations). The path that ultimately got our money back was having AMEX open an investigation as DomainDiva outlines.

AMEX immediately credited the money back, then contacted the company requiring them to prove the legitimacy of the charge. Here's the unbelievable part: This firm actually sent AMEX 17 pages of generic web page screen shots, each with a stamped approval box that contained initials (not made by anyone in my company) and a date that was ten days after the original credit card charge was processed. They claimed that the work was delivered as agreed and that we signed off. AMEX sent me this "evidence," and advised that they were putting the charge back on our corporate account. Well, not so fast -- the person who did the screen shots left the date in the bottom corner -- a date that was 46 days after I filed the complaint with AMEX. I pointed that fact out, and had Network Solutions (where the domain was registered and hosted) send a letter to AMEX confirming that nothing was ever FTP'd to the domain -- the "under construction" page had resided there from day one. AMEX closed the case, I kept my money, and the whole mess was packed up and sent to the State Attorney General (who got a chance to say, "Don't mess with Texas").

I hope you get equal satisfaction!
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
10. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 9:59 AM
in response to: Lighthouse24

I was trying to contact Amex but unfortunately they say that the 60 day period has expired From July 5th when the payment was posted on Amex until now. I understand that you de also had a similar situation and made a charge after 4 months.......I wanted to understand if there was a different way you went around considering they have the 60 day stipulation?

Really appreciate your help!
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
11. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 10:30 AM
in response to: divmehar
You were connnected to a front line person at customer service. When you call back ask to speak to a supervisor.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
12. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 10:34 AM
in response to: divmehar
If you really want to be tacky go to the AMEX website, click on small business and on the left there is a place to share your story.

Share the story about how they would not help you get some fraudulent charges cleaned up and make it public. Guarantee they will contact you. Keep digging on the website too and start emailing the upper management. Let your wrath know no bounds.....
Click to view Biz Online's profile Mogul Biz Online 71 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
13. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 10:37 AM
Sorry to hear this.
Contact AMEX again and tell them it is fraud and you want to proceed with a chargeback. PayPal is probably your strongest partner.
If you have an agreement with the company, did they state a timeline or delivery date? WHAT did their contract say? You may need this for the AG in Georgia.

What is the name of this company and where are they located? What is their website name? We could have their name hammered in hundreds of blogs in a single day if you do not get your monies back.

This is really upsetting to see this still goes on. That's why I offer professional testimony to clients that have been burned like this.

Do you have a contract? Any emails? Notes of phone calls? Back up all of these and print them out so you can build your case with PayPal, Amex, and the Attorney General.

Good luck,
Cliff
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
14. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 11:05 AM
in response to: divmehar
It didn't occur to me until you asked, but our corporate card has a Purchase Protection plan that is longer (180 days, I think -- I'm on the road, or I'd verify), and it includes items that are lost. So my fallback point was always that if AMEX concluded that the charge wasn't disputable, then the item we purchased must be "lost" and I still had a claim -- and, of course, the design firm would easily be able to replace the "lost" item (that is, if they had ever actually designed it). For all I know, AMEX concluded that the cost of dealing with my issue (and the potential lost revenue to them if I was unhappy with the outcome) was ample incentive for them to challenge a questionable merchant, rather than an honest customer (who also happens to be a merchant).

I'm sorry that you're having such a problem. I know the time wasted on trying to resolve these kinds of issues is very irritating, but I think persistence is the key.
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
15. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 11:06 AM
in response to: DomainDiva
That is a good suggestion....have just done that on Amex...lets see!!
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
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16. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 11:53 AM
in response to: divmehar

Open up a blog especially for your complaint at www.blogger.com
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
17. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 11:55 AM
in response to: divmehar
I just checked their website...their domain acount has been suspended. OH MY the plot thickens!!! If this is not something that AMEX will look into then I do not know what is.

Information travels fast...especially bad news on the net.
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
18. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 2:54 PM
in response to: DomainDiva
Sorry I made a mistake, their website is http://www.omnigroupint.com....
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
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19. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 3:10 PM
in response to: divmehar
I found the website and they have a contact page. Do you want me to contact them and make a complaint on your behalf? I sure will.
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
20. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 3:31 PM
in response to: DomainDiva

Thanks so much. I did try their numbers which are there on the contact page some time ago and they did not exist.

I will be more than happy if you wanted to give it a try........Really appreciate all your effort!
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
21. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 4:48 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Thanks for your quick reply
Click to view SEO-Expert's profile Professional SEO-Expert 11 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
22. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 19, 2007 5:47 PM
Many of our website & SEO client had similar experiences when they were dealing with non-USA companies.

My earlier responses were removed by forum Admin as they had contact details of the company who registered them. The company is based in India. As an Indian I am upset to know that companies cheat clients in USA giving bad name to country and to Indians.

You have to decide if it is worth your time to go after them or move on and learn from this experience. As we use credit cards too for receiving payment. I think the best way to deal will be complaint to credit card company. Talk to customer service suprevisors they will have a answer for you, if he does not have anyswer insist on talking to his boss. It has worked for me on many instances. Ask for a charge back on your card. Ask them to fax you fraud protection clause of the credit card agreement. American Expres does not want a unsatisfied client.

I am sure if you will protest, they will forced to take some action.
Click to view divmehar's profile Professional divmehar 10 posts since
Oct 17, 2007
23. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 22, 2007 10:33 AM
in response to: SEO-Expert

Thanks for your help! I am definately trying to with Amex...
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Dec 8, 2007
24. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Dec 11, 2007 10:02 AM
in response to: divmehar
Divmehar,

I don't have CHARGEBACK issues, but I can refer you to a GREAT, fair and reasonable web design company that did my site. If any interest, contact me at mailto:aaron@beachcitiesconcierge.com and I will forward info to you.

Good Luck
Click to view dszyszka's profile Professional dszyszka 9 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
25. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Dec 13, 2007 4:55 PM
in response to: SEO-Expert
I agree. You always get what you paid for - bottom line there are no short cuts. If you want to make sure the work or job gets done keep it American. You have the best chances of fighting then if something goes wrong.

Also three months for a website is not reasonable even for a complex one. I usally get them done in 2-3 weeks not months. Outsourcing will just waste your time and money and I am sorry you had that expericance.
Click to view TJMorehead's profile Mogul TJMorehead 98 posts since
Mar 16, 2008
26. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Mar 17, 2008 12:31 AM

1. Contact Better Business Bureau
2. See if they are affiliated with any professional association and contact the entity with a formal correspondence detailing your service with the company.
3. Send a demand letter for a refund.
4. Draft a whisteblowing letter to send to the press to advise others of their business practice. In your city their may be a consumer reporter who reports on businesses practicing bad ethics.

Hope that helps,
TJ Morehead

Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
27. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Mar 17, 2008 1:02 AM
Divmehar ~

I feel bad that someone has taking advantage of you like this. One of the things my company does, is offer pro-bono services for business that have a legitimate need for such.

Obviously you have a legitimate need after someone would do such a wretched thing.

Please contact me via email, if you would like a website designed for you pro-bono.

My company uses website templates and builds sites from scratch. If you would like to utilize a template their is a cost associated with templates around 40-150, as I use a third party company for templates.

If you decide on a website built from scratch the only cost associated with your website will be the cost of hosting and domain name registration. I do not provide hosting or domain name services. I suggest www.Godaddy.com for hosting and domain names.

My company does not have an extensive portfolio of work we have done, this is the benefit for me to designing the site for you. Also, it has been difficult to be taking seriously, and many disregard my business before I am even given the chance. With a strong portfolio, this will not be nearly the issue.

If you are interested in this offer for volunteer web design services, please drop me an email: mike.stratton@intechspecial.com, or contact me via my company's website: http://www.intechspecial.com You can also get an idea of my work, as I have a small portfolio of websites and logo design.

My company is located in the Cleveland, Ohio area and is registered with the Ohio Attorney State Generals office.

Sincerely,

Michael A. Stratton
Integrity Technology Specialists

Click to view websolutions's profile Mogul websolutions 191 posts since
Feb 4, 2008
28. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Mar 17, 2008 11:54 AM
what is the URL for this designer? Have you looked up whois info?

Best,

Mike
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
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29. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Mar 18, 2008 12:29 AM
in response to: websolutions
Yes a who is search would help greatly. Not only for this but for any other web design company.

Go to this Url to do a search on any website: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/ind
ex.jsp

Any company that is illegitimate would not be listed here, and eventually will be removed from the ICANN registry. http://www.icann.org/

I am serious about my offer as well. If you are concerned this is some kind of scam, please go to the Ohio Attorney General and research my company.

My company name is Integrity Technology Specialists and my name is Michael Stratton.

I would expect that you would be more careful as far as your dealings with any company from this point on, and hope that you would do vast research on any company that you might deal with.

Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
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30. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Mar 18, 2008 12:31 AM
in response to: intechspecial

I stated a who is search would be could for any web design company. It actually can be used as a tool to research the validity of any company, but should not be a tool that is used exclusively to research a company.

Best to check the state and country resources they are located in.
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31. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Apr 11, 2008 2:16 PM
in response to: intechspecial
Hello, working in this webdesigning industry for years now, i can say that the whois is not that useful bse when someone is registering the domain name they can opt to have their info made private (to avoid identity theft etc)
If you have any qsns on websites, design hosting etc, please let me know.
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,457 posts since
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32. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 27, 2008 1:58 AM
in response to: gandamedia

This is true that someone can easily place a privacy lock on there account. BUT the domain is registered to a company or person via the payment, and all you would have to do is notiffy the regsitrant listed and this information would be forwarded to the actual owner of the website.

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33. Re: Trying to find a way to get my money back from a web designing company? Oct 27, 2008 5:42 AM
in response to: Lighthouse24
FROM: JOSEPH A. RIVAS, ACCOUNT MANAGER SALES /REP. TRAING TO FIND A WAY TO GET MY MONEY BACK FROM A WEB DESIGNING COMPANY.