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6 Replies Last post: Aug 11, 2008 7:30 AM by LUCKIEST

Employee hours VS. Gross Sales?

Aug 10, 2008 11:05 AM

Click to view Basket_Guy's profile Mogul Basket_Guy 34 posts since
Aug 9, 2008
I am looking into the purchase of an established retail service structured business. Does anyone know if there is an employee hours to sales ration. Meaning total employee hours should equal x.x% of gross sales?
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1. Re: Employee hours VS. Gross Sales? Aug 10, 2008 3:51 PM
Employee hours VS. Gross Sales??

Investment analysts use a variety of key ratios, such as return on equity , return on assets , and price-earnings ratio (, to gauge a company's
well being. One number that doesn't get a lot of attention is the
sales-per-employee ratio. While it does have its limitations, this
ratio does give investors some sense of a company's productivity and
financial health.

What Is the Sales-per-Employee Ratio?
The name
indicates how the sales/employee ratio is calculated: a company's
annual sales divided by its total employees. Annual sales and employee
numbers are easily located in published statements and annual reports.
The sales-per-employee ratio provides a broad indication of how
expensive a company is to run. It can be especially insightful when
measuring the efficiency of businesses such as banks, retailers,
consultants, software companies and media groups. "People businesses" lend themselves to the sales per employee ratio.

Interpreting the ratio is fairly straightforward: companies with
higher sales-per-employee figures are generally considered more
efficient than those with lower figures. A higher sales-per-employee
ratio indicates that the company can operate on low overhead costs, and
therefore do more with less employees, which often translates into
healthy profits

LUCKIEST

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2. Re: Employee hours VS. Gross Sales? Aug 10, 2008 4:21 PM
in response to: LUCKIEST
Luckiest, do you happen to know what a good ratio would be?
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3. Re: Employee hours VS. Gross Sales? Aug 10, 2008 4:39 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about such a ratio. If you are trying to figure out if the business is going to be a worthwhile investment, the best measure is cash flow. In order to figure out if the price being asked is reasonable, you can find sales of comparable businesses and the "cash flow multiples" that have been paid. For example, if a business has $10,000 in cash flow, and it sells for $20,000, then the cash flow multiple is 2.0 times. If the business you are looking at is asking for a higher multiple than normal, they are asking too much. If you the multiple is lower, then its underpriced (look hard at tricky things like whether the officer takes a salary).
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4. Re: Employee hours VS. Gross Sales? Aug 11, 2008 6:55 AM
in response to: Milleisen
Milleisen thank you for your response, and if I understand you correctly what you are saying is that a good asking price for a business is double its gross annual sales?
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5. Re: Employee hours VS. Gross Sales? Aug 11, 2008 7:29 AM
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Employee hours VS. Gross Sales??

I do not think that you are understanding Milleisen correctly.

He is using those numbers as an example. Every business and every industry is different.

Asking price can be based Sales, Profits, Location, and lets not forget Goodwill.

Lets see what Milleisen has to answer, LUCKIEST
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6. Re: Employee hours VS. Gross Sales? Aug 11, 2008 7:30 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST
Sorry for two posting