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Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
15. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 17, 2008 5:11 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Somebody is paying attention - this thread has been moved to community feedback! It belongs here, but if they can do that then why not move all the request to somewhere else?

Lighthouse, thanks for looking at it from that point of view. I needed to read that. I hope they realize that sheer volume does not reflect quality. They may have more volume but soon people may find that the forum provides less value to real business owners.

Which is better a lot of customers who don't buy much and may even steal from you or a couple of loyal customers who buy large amounts from you? We all know the answer.

BOA needs to look at if from our point of view also.
Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
16. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 17, 2008 5:07 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
P.S. My previous post was not a criticism of the SBOC, any of its members, BoA, or the Community Team. It's more an acknowledgment that we who are speaking up here may be in the minority.

I get the impression that there are only about 30 or 40 of us who actually own and run a full-time business with employees, perhaps a hundred who run a full-time one-person operation, and a couple of hundred who are currently run a part-time business (but are seriously moving toward full-time business ownership). In contrast, thousands of members have posted on the "money hungry" topics.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
17. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 17, 2008 9:35 PM
in response to: Lighthouse24
Good points Lighthouse...what amazes me is the requests are being made so that their ideas will be bankrolled by some angel investor who will swoop in and solve all their problems. I wonder of BofA realizes that this forum is being trolled by some pretty impressive names out there? I have received phone calls from Fortune Magazine as well as Business Week when someone noticed a response to a business question that I posted and wanted to discuss it with me.

Perhaps BofA needs to decide what kind of community they want to build and then go from there.
Click to view mademan24's profile Mogul mademan24 84 posts since
Jun 14, 2008
18. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 18, 2008 12:23 AM
in response to: DomainDiva
This forum is great but I do like what LUCKIEST had to say and his viewpoint. I have not heard of any success stories from anyone as of yet. I am not oppossed to hearing about worthwhile ventures that make sense and can generate profits. Whether you decide to actually invest or not is another story. This is a forum for networking and opportunity. People should be allowed to do just that and Yes there should be a seperate section for funding requests.

Cheers,

T.Michael

Click to view MKTG.com.au's profile Mogul MKTG.com.au 44 posts since
Feb 21, 2008
19. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 18, 2008 5:54 AM
in response to: Iwrite
Hi

I agree with your sentiments - for a while Ive been elsewhere, partly due to being busy but also partly because I think things started to go in a direction that I was not so interested in. Without wanting to sound all cornbally corporate speak I think we need to refocus on the basics and remember why this forum started and what we wanted from it - for me, it wasnt to read about people wanting $ or those who dreamt of money making ideas without any collateral. It was generating ideas, sharing, learning and biz discussion.

mktg.com.au
Click to view gypsumrocker's profile Professional gypsumrocker 3 posts since
Jun 18, 2008
20. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 19, 2008 12:43 AM
in response to: Iwrite
I to think that there should be another section for this topic. But, don't knock everyone though. I am a father of three that has bad credit because i did not have medical insurance when they came into my life. I hardly ever ask for anything from anyone. I work year around hardly ever missing a day of work and yet i am exhausted at the fact that i have a growing business, good reputation, in need of equipment because his partner quit and yet i still can not get a small loan to keep doing the productive job that i have been. So, there are people like me that are indeed in need and do not know where else to go. So, please understand. ( But, there should be a seperate section for this topic, I agree )
Click to view dtominus's profile Mogul dtominus 109 posts since
Jun 3, 2008
21. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 19, 2008 4:06 AM
in response to: Iwrite
I can understand every ones frustration, but consider this! Look at the housing and lending market now
compared to 1yr ago? Business owner hopefuls or current business owners are looking for help with funding because there just not getting it right now from the banks, Ask any lending officer , Does he or she
see a huge decline in application aprovals compared to say one year ago! Don't be so critical, If you are already doing fine money wise, Then its easy to come to this conclusion, But the folks out here are the same folks that where here a year ago, Its just that times have changes , So there asking , Help me solve this prob! Give me advice, Show me the way, Stop being critical, And give the help these folks are asking for, Remember , How can you speak about the speck in your brothers, But you don't look at the loge in your own eye!!!!!

Thanks
David Tominus
Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
22. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 19, 2008 10:15 AM
in response to: gypsumrocker
Gypsumrocker,

I do understand, I really do. I am not saying the people requesting are bad or evil. I am saying this forum should be about more than this and there should be a section for requests.

I did not mean this as an attack on anyone but as a request to create a section for people to post requests.

Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
23. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jun 19, 2008 10:26 AM
in response to: dtominus
David,

We aren't being critical - most of us are in the same boat if not worse. If you took a poll, you would find the majority of us have some type of funding need.

No one said these posts do not belong on this forum, we said they should have a their own section.

I think you will find that the people commenting here would be more than happy to answer questions but we are not talking about folks asking questions - people are requesting money, and most of us cannot answer that need.

No one in this thread passed judgement as to the character of anyone because they asked for money - you are reading into things that were not said.

Once again, we believe that there should be a section for funding requests. How is that not understanding the situation or putting people down?

I am sorry if you think I am attacking people for needing money but I am not.

derek
Click to view MnlyTechnlgy's profile Mogul MnlyTechnlgy 98 posts since
Feb 27, 2008
24. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jul 7, 2008 5:00 PM
in response to: Iwrite
Iwrite: I agree with you as well. I had noticed quite some time back that the tone of the forums were heading down a virtually money-oriented path. I agree that there should be a "Requesting Funding" section solely for this purpose, however as with anything ... that doesn't necessarily mean they will utilize it. I was enjoying the conversations with new business owners and prospective entrepreneurs who were looking for advice and ideas ... it DOES certainly seem as if they have diminished over the months. I actually stopped checking this every day for a while because of that problem. Another problem I have is the amount of people who post to the forum who do not utilize proper grammar and never respond to the posters or at least acknowledge their responses.

I too think something needs to be done.

Deb L
Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
25. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jul 7, 2008 5:22 PM
in response to: MnlyTechnlgy
Thanks for the support.

As for the poor grammar, never responding and not acknowledging - I'm guilty as charged:
  • I sometimes type and submit without reading.
  • I don't respond to every post because I don't want to interrupt the flow of the conversation.
  • Which results in me not acknowledging a response.
I throw myself on the mercy of the board!!

Seriously, I understand you frustration, but you can't let it keep you away from the conversations. The board needs you and everyone else. If we can over look the smaller stuff and address the larger things, then maybe we can all learn something that will help us grow our businesses.

I was wondering where you were. I enjoy your comments. I have to admit that I am hooked - I take quick, little breaks and scan the boards every two or three hours to see what is going on. For a while, there was a real exchange of ideas and a lot less peddling. I miss the good old days!! (That's a joke.)

I think the answer to the problem is to take back the forum - ask your questions, present a challenging situation, offer up some wisdom. In other words, post something to get us talking. Give us someting to talk about. I try but I am not that great at generating a discussion.

Iwrite
Click to view MnlyTechnlgy's profile Mogul MnlyTechnlgy 98 posts since
Feb 27, 2008
26. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jul 7, 2008 5:33 PM
in response to: Iwrite
Glad we're on the same page! I think we're all guilty of posting w/o reading before hitting the submit button - I'm talking about the obvious "SPAM" of sorts that seems to hit here every so often. If you look at some of the stats to that post, without actually going into the post, you can see that 1 or 2 people may view the post, but no one replies.

I am back with a vengence on the site ... have taken a short break to see if things sorted themselves out. I agree that the way to combat some of the problems is to "take back the forum" and make viable contributions which are not only informative but enjoyable at the same time. I have had the wonderful opportunity to help out some really great people on here and the reward comes from knowing that I have had a small part in their success, hopefully. Of course it doesn't hurt that we've obtained a couple of new clients from the forum as well ... that aside, it is always a good feeling when you can set someone on a good path with positive encouragement and support. Afterall .. isn't that why the forums were invented?

Keep in touch ...

Deb L
Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
27. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jul 7, 2008 5:46 PM
in response to: MnlyTechnlgy
Will do. I look forward to hearing from you.

Hey, there is a post that asks if anyone has had any success from this forum. It sounds like you have some success stories to share. I am not sure if I can attach a link but it is from mademan24 and is titled: "Can anyone here on this forum share a success story?" Take a look.
Click to view tim13ga's profile Mogul tim13ga 32 posts since
Jul 17, 2008
28. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jul 20, 2008 12:55 PM
in response to: Iwrite

This site has gotten too money-hungry, and I am one of the hungry.

I came looking for funding. Banks have said no (even our patron has said no.) Friends and family have said no. As an aside, you will find that the income you have will be roughly 10% above or below the people you call friends. I am broke, (broke is a state of finances, poor is a state of mind.) So we look for business sites where we hope to find funding. I have been looking for work as well. I can't buy a drafting job in Georgia.

I do have a bad back. (That is why I went back to school and learned drafting.) So it is not like I can dig ditches or lift boxes for extra money. My wife had a stroke in May of '07 and I have become her primary care giver. I have been looking for a business that can give me a full time income with part time hours. I found it, and that is what I am looking to fund.

If you have been wondering why the "PTB" has not put in a "looking for funding" section, the answer should hit you in the face like a wet fish. They are a "BANK!" If any funding is going to happen, they want to be the ones holding the notes. They would probably frown on any funding that actualy happened under their noses. But we still have the problem of what to do about all of the funding requests. I put mine in the loans and lines of credit section because I felt it was at least closest to the topic. I would call the funding section "Where to go, when banks say no."

Even though I wait for someone to say that they may be able to help, I read other posts and have given answers when I had something helpful to contribute. It is not like I make one request and have nothing else to contribute. I try to be an engaging part of the community.


I hope this helps...

Tim...

Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
29. Re: This forum has become too money-hungry Jul 21, 2008 10:10 AM
in response to: tim13ga
Tim,

Thanks for the great response. I think I am resolved that there will not be a section for requests.

I understand being broke, I do it so well. I don't disagree with anything you have written. I think the last comment is the true gem of wisdom:

"Even though I wait for someone to say that they may be able to help, I
read other posts and have given answers when I had something helpful to
contribute. It is not like I make one request and have nothing else to
contribute. I try to be an engaging part of the community."

I think some members feel that more of the folks requesting money don't do this. I know I do. There are those who participate in this forum and then there are others who want something from it without contributing much if anything.

I am in the service business - I charge clients away from this site a nice amount of money for advice that I give away free here.

Why would I do this? Because I understand being "broke," and this is all that I have to offer. It is my way of trying to help.

And I am not the only one. So, how do you think we feel when people tell us the only thing you can do for me is give me money. They don't say that directly but it comes through in the words and tone of their posts.

This community needs differing voices and views, and I believe some of the folks coming here only looking for money are robbing themselves and others of the opportunity to hear their voices on things.

I am really glad you are here. I hope things work out for you.
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