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How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking?

Aug 15, 2007 1:41 AM

Click to view score81's profile SCORE score81 76 posts since
Aug 6, 2007
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My question is, how do I know who to work with? What criteria do I use to judge which company will best serve my needs? Why do some companies charge $3500 for optimization, while others charge $1000? What should I be looking for? What strategy works best to get to the top of the search engine rankings? Thank You.******************************
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Click to view ScubaDive's profile Founders ScubaDive 36 posts since
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1. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Aug 15, 2007 1:07 PM
I think I have some helpful tips for your client score81. The difference in price for natural search optimization is the same as in any professinal service. There are different levels of experience, expertise and results. I recommend evaluating several companies and seeing their work in action. The best thing about search engine optimzation companies is that you can on the spot evaluate their results.

Look at their client list and track record. There are many different strategies companies employ to rank high. Since the range is so vast, I think it just requires analysis of many companies to see what is the right fit.
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2. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Aug 15, 2007 1:51 PM
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Hello ScubaDive;

Thank you for the information.
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3. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Aug 15, 2007 2:01 PM
in response to: score81
My pleasure score81!
Click to view wiredrhino's profile Start-up wiredrhino 1 posts since
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4. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 10, 2007 11:30 AM
I would ask to see a client list.

At the end of the day you get what you pay for in any industry.

Ask to be given specific search terms that they have optimized for, on what engines and which sites.

You should be looking for a search company that has already provided proven results. The best deal would be to work on a pay per performance basis.

Ari

Click to view SEO-Expert's profile Professional SEO-Expert 11 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
5. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 10, 2007 11:38 AM

Few things that you can check are:

  • Ask the company for which keywords they have optimized their own site and other sites. Depending on how competitive the keyword is, you can decide who does a better job.
  • Prefer to work with companies based in USA as many of our SEO clients who tried to work with companies who offer SEO companies in other countries, had bad experience.
  • Results of SEO cannot be seen immediately as after making changes on the site, search engine has to index your pages and then change their indexing. Nobody can control the search engines. Normal time frame can be 4 months to 12 months which depends on age of the site, how old is the page, keyword competition, site design etc.
  • The price depends on what activities will the vendor do on the site and offsite to improve your visibility.

SEO should be considered only if you are ready to wait. It is very important that you find the right company at reasonable price because you cannot afford to loose the time on ranking high on search engines. We usually advice our client to start pay-per-click which SEO is in progress and gradually stop PPC as you start ranking high for those specific keywords.

Hopefully this will help you. If you have additional questions feel free to call me on 515-865-4591
Click to view matt_w's profile Professional matt_w 3 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
6. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 10, 2007 11:40 AM
SEO is essentially best practices in web development. If you're going to build
a web site, these are the things you do to help it along in the search
engines. If your current web developer isn't pushing you in that
direction, find another. If you have an SEO-aware web developer, there
should be no need to pay an SEO consultant or expert.

In the end it is the content, uniqueness, quality, and usefulness of
your site that will help it most in the search engines. The search
engine companies work tirelessly towards including the most useful and
appropriate sites in their results. So instead of trying to trick them,
just make your site one that the search engines will use by providing
targeted, high quality, useful content.

The other side is just plain old networking, but on the web. Make sure
your site gets listed anywhere sites like yours are listed. For
example, I always make sure the page on Wikipedia that lists Wiki hosts
includes my site. Little stuff like that adds up.

I haven't done anything more than that and my site continues to be on the first page of Google for 'wiki hosting'.

Matt
Click to view arooly.com's profile Start-up arooly.com 6 posts since
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7. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 10, 2007 11:49 AM

I am a computer engineer and I learn quite a lot about SEO (Search Engine Optimization). After a lot of money and effort my conclusion is: do not bother. The search engines bring very little traffic to small business websites, even for a well optimized one. You will not get your return on the money.
Click to view emmagination's profile Professional emmagination 8 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
8. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 10, 2007 8:03 PM
in response to: arooly.com
I agree and disagree. You don't need to pay big dollars to get on search engines, but it is important to be on search engines as they can and do bring profitable referrals. There are important SEO techniques to implement while building a website which any webmaster should already be doing such as naming the images to fit the description, using alt tags, and clear URLs, meta information, keywords, etc. Once you have that in place, you should automatically start getting listed in search engines.

To be ranked at the top, one of the most important things your website needs to have is "link backs". The more website that link back to you, the higher you could rank in a search engine. These websites of course should be related to your own website. Spam websites will not make any difference linking back to your website. If you sell "widgets" and a thousand "widget fans" link back to your website, you would be ranked highly when people are searching for "widgets".
Click to view NatOnline's profile Mogul NatOnline 670 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
9. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 10, 2007 9:05 PM
in response to: arooly.com
arooly.com it depends, you need to know how works search engines, this is not easy of course, but it is not impossible.

This is a tip form my experience, you need first to build your links, then these links will bring you up in the search engines, then traffic.

What will bring you traffic? 1) unique contents, 2) articles, 3) links (multi sources), if you are expecting traffic from your site to the search engines without that, yes traffic will be low. You must build the proper shematic for your site.

It was my 2 cents :-)
Click to view vxch.com's profile Start-up vxch.com 2 posts since
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10. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 11, 2007 12:58 PM
in response to: NatOnline
yah... i'm in the same boat with generating traffic to my site. i recently signed a contract with an seo company that supposidly guarantees results. they've provided me with some additional key words for my site, but nothing that i couldn't have done on my own (which i had already done). like someone commented earlier, i think you get what you pay for. some companies have an enormous budget to spend on pay-per-click advertising and seo companies, but i'm not fortunate enough to have that type of funding at this time. so i've done a little research and began asking my customers (via a survey) what they like and dislike about my site. i'm hoping that this will be the most cost effective approach to and increase in traffic and sales. i guess i'll have to ride this one out over the next 6 months and see how much my investment pays off.
Click to view NatOnline's profile Mogul NatOnline 670 posts since
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11. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 11, 2007 2:18 PM
in response to: vxch.com
vxch.com I did the same, signed a contract with a small SEO company, and this company almost banned my e-commerce on search engines with their technics. They did not respect the guidelines of search engines, and the result was worse. I don't want to scare you, but most of the time it is a wast of money.

You must understand how it works, and ask yourself what a SEO compagny will do for your business. Some SEO just buy links from high traffic sites, some will work on 5 keyphrases max for ($2500 setup, and $500 per month for the less expensive, under that it is a scam). Honestly, you can do your own SEO with a small budget.

If you decide to do your own SEO, I recommend to check this link: http://www.v7n.com/forums/seo-forum/56475-effective-seo-v7n-way.html
you will find what you need.

Good luck
Click to view arooly.com's profile Start-up arooly.com 6 posts since
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12. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 11, 2007 2:29 PM
in response to: NatOnline
I have to agree with you Nat. You must know yourself SEO before you pay one penny. My experience with SEO is a total vaste of time and money. If you are lucky to be on top on some search term great, if not move on.

There are reports of improved organic traffic from PPC on Google. Of course Google will not admit.
Click to view NatOnline's profile Mogul NatOnline 670 posts since
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13. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 11, 2007 3:01 PM
in response to: arooly.com
Well organic through PPC is dangerous, because Google is after paid links, any competitors can report paid links on the Google webmaster tools, so you can loose big at this game. The new search engine algos are more and more efficient, sooner or later perhaps this technic will not work.

If you've got the budget, the best way to go is both organic and PPC. Most of the time new e-commerce owners start by PPC, and build slowly the organic links.

I did not start by PPC and go directly with organic, I don't know if you notice that, but the price are increasing for PPC, plus paying for fraud clicks bother me.

The Google analytic is free or course, but make no mistake with this you provide to Google valuable information for Adwords. Many webmaster using Adwords discover keyphrases with high traffic and not expensive, few months later click went from 0,03 cents to .50 cts, so using the Urchin Google analytic provide them high valuable information about searches.

I use metatraffic, live statistics software, so you can have an idea how your customers find you and which keywords or keyphrases they used.
Click to view Faerie's profile Authority Faerie 27 posts since
Oct 12, 2007
14. Re: How do I know, which company does best web optimization of my web site, so my site stay at top of ranking? Oct 12, 2007 1:29 PM

I own a small family business that sells online. Most of our traffic comes from search engines - both organic search and sponsored advertising.

Search ranking - no company can guarantee you search ranking. They can optimize your site (and keep in mind that each search engine ranks by a different formula) but the search engines determine your ranking. If you are putting your url out there eventually the search engines will find you. Being found but having a ranking of 937 for a keyword isn't particularly useful.

Remember that a web site is made up of individual web pages. Each web page should be optimized for 2 - 4 keyword phrases. Optimization is about content (including use of keyword phrases), organization (including links both inbound and within your website) and accessibility.

Obtaining top ranking takes time but it is possible even for small businesses. I have products that rank #1 on google and many in the top 5. I also have products that are in such a competitive area that I am no where to be found. Where it is not expected that I will get good organic results I use sponsored advertising.
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