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19 Replies Last post: May 24, 2008 6:11 PM by Adducent

Pending Recession

Jan 11, 2008 9:56 AM

Click to view frazzle's profile Authority frazzle 21 posts since
Dec 21, 2007
With all this talk of a recession and consumer spending on the decline due to the housing market, I'm a little wary of quitting my job and running my business full time. I hate my work, and will be the death of me if I don't get out soon, but hate it or not, it's a recession proof business, whereas the retail business I run is not. Just looking for input from you good folks, should I be overly concerned about all this talk of a recession and how it will impact business?
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1. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 10:02 AM
Thanks for sharing. It would help to know more about your background and the type of business you want to go into.
The country has been through recessions in the past and hopefully the economy will get better.
Have you developed a Business and Marketing Plan on the new business??
LUCKIEST
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Dec 21, 2007
2. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 10:16 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST
Well, I'm working in the funeral industry now, so it's pretty much job security. I started my business 3 years ago selling Halloween related items and have seen positive gains each year. This year was going to be the year I left the funeral biz to focus on my biz full time.
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3. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 10:21 AM
in response to: frazzle
You started your business 3 years ago selling Halloween related items. Sounds like a great business.
Do you have a Business and Marketing Plan??
Are you now going to focus on your biz full time??
LUCKIEST.
Click to view frazzle's profile Authority frazzle 21 posts since
Dec 21, 2007
4. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 10:39 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST
Yes, I want to focus on it full time. And no, I am ashamed to admit, I do not have a Business Plan. I don't know how to make one.
Click to view NatOnline's profile Mogul NatOnline 670 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
5. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 11:38 AM
I beleive if recession there is, that will impact some industries but not all.

People are more careful when they spend, and always looking for good deals.

I think you are on the good track (Halloween, Party, Bachelor Party, Fun Party, etc...) work pretty well.

Good luck
Click to view The Expert's profile Mogul The Expert 71 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
6. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 11:55 AM
in response to: LUCKIEST
Just a word of caution. Please make sure that you do have savings to survive a recession before you quit your job. Just in case you do not have enough savings, try to have a different PERSPECTIVE about your day job.

Write down all the things you LIKE about your day job. And keep adding to it
Next write down all the things you DONT like about your day job and figure out ways to change them - or find a different way to look at that part of your job.

That way you will have have the financial security while you pursue your DREAM JOB
Take care

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Click to view frazzle's profile Authority frazzle 21 posts since
Dec 21, 2007
7. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 12:53 PM
in response to: The Expert
Thanks for the tips. I have already done several times a "pros and cons" of my current job, and I have two pros to over thirty cons. The cons are out of my control, I can not change them. For instance, I am on call 24/7. That's the nature of the beast in the business. People die all the time. That leads to another con: working holidays, weekends and nights. I've missed so many special occasions from the job that I'll never get back...friends weddings, graduations, etc.. I know having a business I'll put in a lot more hours, but at least I'll be able to shut down for an hour or two to participate in special events. With my current job, that is not the case. Heck, sick days aren't even offered. I'm expected to work even if I have the flu. One time I sprained my ankle (not work related) and the boss wouldn't let me rest a few days. He made me work, because they don't give sick days. I had to hobble to perform my duties. And we're expected to submit our vacation days on January 1st, all of them. Which means I have to predict the days I'll need off a year in advance. So, like I said, the cons outweigh the pros. I used to stay for the paycheck (one of the few pros), but have since learned money doesn't matter if you're miserable.
My daughter has brittle bone disease, and needs to take swimming lessons to help strengthen her muscles, but they won't let me take nights off for the class. Guess what, my daughter comes first. I know bringing in money from their paycheck equates to taking care of her, but her health is at stake.
As for savings, I have enough. I have a line of credit I'm using for both the biz and to live off of for awhile. A slippery slope, I understand, but a chance I'm willing to take.
Click to view moogrdotcom's profile Mogul moogrdotcom 82 posts since
Dec 16, 2007
8. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 1:21 PM
I tend to think of things as a trickle down economy. Smaller Businesses tend to struggle through tough times and keep what they can while large businesses seem to cut & run. By this i mean the fortune 500's will announce THOUSANDS of high paying job cuts that will help them achieve profit goals even through painfull times while small businesses will keep on working.

The trickle down part is the impact of job cuts on smaller businesses by a smaller / less spending pool of available customers. The big businesses also cut spending as part of there profit strategy motivation as well.

So my response is its often trickle down and you probably have MORE job security if your personal business is sustainable than you do trying to keep the corporate coffers happy and hope you don't get cut if the economy does continue to shrink.

I always told myself in my other startups "i need to keep my day job boss happy" and never made the commitment to myself to be happy and i always beleived the day job was more stable. The first time i was upset, the second time i was furious. The third time i was lethargic and the 4th time i was just plane peed off. Being in the high tech industry the down turn has really been never ending and i just accepted it as a fact of life but for some reason my brain always thought it was more stable than doing it on my own.

I've since learned that the ONLY stability is that of which YOU create. No matter HOW hard i worked for someone else i was ALWAYS expendible. ALWAYS. Until you work for yourself and commit to yourself on a fulltime basis its hard to realize this.

So take pride in what you do, be proud of what you do and commit to making yourself succesfull on your own and start learning that employment is what you make of it - not what others give to you. I'm soooooo glad to be ending my career in the fortune 500 world and focusing on myself and my family - even though its harder work, its much more satisfying to see the fruits of my labor pay off in many ways beyond a week to week paycheck.

When i worked for a bank one day i was paged on friday not to come in on monday and they mailed home my stuff. When i worked for a high tech company one day i was told i was being laid off because they couldn't afford me - 8,000 other people were laid off and the PR spin was this was so they could make estimated EPS on stock and boy howdy did they. Another one i was laid off because the project was terminated and one more i just quite because i worked 24x7 and still had to fight for my job security - almost like the work wasn't good enougyh to them because it was expensive but at the same time they relied on me and couldn't justify it themselves so I had to justify my own position and if i'm going to do that i may as well WORK FOR MYSELF.. the boss wouldn't stand for me because he was too busy trying to stand for himself. Just a crappy place to work and glad i'm rid of it.
Click to view The Expert's profile Mogul The Expert 71 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
9. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 4:56 PM
in response to: frazzle
Just make sure that your daughter can get health insurance. Becuase Cobra insurance can be very expensive
Take care
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Dec 21, 2007
10. Re: Pending Recession Jan 11, 2008 6:16 PM
in response to: The Expert
Regarding health insurance...both my wife and I have minimal health benefits (another con related to working for a small business). When our daughter was diagnosed with O.I. (Osteogenesis Imperfecta or Brittle Bone Disease) we knew we had to get good health coverage for her since she'd be in and out of the hospital so much (she's had 4 broken bones already, and she's 2 1/2). We live in CT, and we're lucky enough that CT has the Husky plan for children. We signed up for that. It's a great plan with max benefits, so she's covered.
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Mar 10, 2008
11. Re: Pending Recession Apr 3, 2008 3:42 PM
Frazzle,

The best piece of advice I ever got on starting my business came from my mother. As I worked at my old company, waiting for the "layoff" shoe to drop, I prepared a business plan to start my own publishing company. The situation was similar to what you are facing today (2002--post-9/11 economy; very bad in the publishing world). I mentioned to my mother that I was worried about security--who would pay the rent, light and heat?

Her answer was classic. She said, +*"The only security you will ever need is between your ears."</s<br />
If you wait for the right time to start your business, it will never happen.

I have a quote magnet on my desk at work. It says "Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover!

Make the decision to be in charge of your own destiny. Put a strong, detailed business plan together to guide you like the North Star, and take the plunge.

Brian
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Dec 21, 2007
12. Re: Pending Recession Apr 4, 2008 9:58 AM
in response to: sbedge24
Brian,

Thanks for the sound advice and words of encouragement (thanks to your mother as well). Since originally posting this thread I have had just that revelation: I no longer am fretting over the economy.
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Mar 10, 2008
13. Re: Pending Recession Apr 4, 2008 10:26 AM
in response to: frazzle
Frazzle,

Congratulations! You are one step closer to realizing your dreams.

Don't forget the business plan. In an unstable economy, a good business plan will help you stay focused. You need to also treat your plan as a living, breathing document (you need to reference it on a regular basis). The plan needs to incude: A Strategic Goal (where do you want to be at the end of 2008? $1 million in sales? 15 new accounts?). It must also include an operational plan (How you plan to get to $1 million in sales--new business? Increased business from existing accounts?). You also must have a contingency plan--what happens if the new business you projected doesn't come in? Or, if the increased business isn't there? How will you then reach your Strategic Goal?

In all likelihood, you will not recognize the plan you have in December as the same plan you wrote in January. The only way that happens is if you put it in the filing cabinet and never open it again. If that's the case, then don't bother with the plan. It will be a waste of time.

Remember this: People who have active business plans are more than twice as likely to succeed in their business as people who don't have a business plan.

Good luck with everything,

Brian
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Feb 28, 2008
14. Re: Pending Recession Apr 4, 2008 10:44 AM
Not to belittle the whole economy and recession, but we all have to stay strong and toughen up. Once I was looking for sympathy and expressing to a co-worker that my sales were down from a year or two ago and I blamed the economy. He right away said, "Ken, people have money and they are still going to spend it". He then added: "They are just going to be choosier what they spend it on". I think if you have great quality products, they will speak for themselves. Sure, the luxury products are going to suffer in sales because people need food on the table and gas in the car. If you as a business owner have personality and passion, people are going to see through that and it will be contagious. I know I love Halloween and decorate like crazy for it. It is 2nd to Christmas in my home. If you got nice things....people are still going to buy.
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