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CSS is not the SEO silver bullet...

Dec 26, 2007 2:34 AM

Click to view patkins's profile Start-up patkins 3 posts since
Dec 26, 2007
I wish CSS was the end-all for good SEO but you are wrong, oh so very wrong!

There are many very well documented sites that are built with Generated code from something like a Content Management System (CMS). In many of these cases the code is not perfect and all using nice pretty CSS markup. "Don't get me wrong I'm a huge fan of CSS" BUT, that is not what makes SEO tick.

I find that anyone who sells that notion is trying to sell a service. Good SEO comes in many formats and techniques.

Unless you can put somthing in writing that your CSS will always get the ranking the customers want you may want to be a little less definitive.

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1. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Dec 26, 2007 6:28 AM
patkins, Do not understand. Way over my head. You posted Open Source software.
O K. Does CSS have anything to do with Open Source software??
LUCKIEST
Click to view MTCreations's profile Mogul MTCreations 82 posts since
Nov 18, 2007
2. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Dec 26, 2007 12:21 PM
If anyone ever put anything in writing regarding a guarantee of ranking - I'd run the other way. Quite simply, you can't guarantee a ranking in any search engine, since you can't control or buy your way to the top.

No, CSS is not magical. But good, clean, structured code is a key ingredient in the SEO soup. So are:
1. great content!
2. great content!
3. great content! (yes, repeated on purpose - content that is relevant, unique and interesting - search engines want to return results that matter, or people won't use them
4. proper TITLE, DESC and header usage, keyphrase density, etc.
5. as little code as possible around the content (which is why CSS, being external to the HTML, makes the magic happen)
6. good internal linking, with proper titles and key phrases ('click here' is just plain bad)
7. good external links from other websites of authority (not just shady link farms that link 1000 pages to your website for a fee)
(the above aside from 1,2,3 are in no particular order)

And a well written CMS can generate nice structured code, and use CSS for layout and styling - WordPress is a great example.

baby...bathwater...
Click to view moogrdotcom's profile Mogul moogrdotcom 82 posts since
Dec 16, 2007
3. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Dec 30, 2007 12:55 AM
CSS is not "SEO"

CSS makes SEO easier because it seperates design/layout from content so you can easily update the content indepent of the site design.

For those not in the know CSS = Custom Style Sheets. Its a way of implementing markup so the design is more independant from the content. Its really nifty for thinking of things as elements/containers so you can move them around in a page just by editing the stype sheet (aka CSS file). The beauty of CSS in SEO is you can hire a designer to do your designer and a copywriter/seo firm to do you seo and you get the best of both worlds.
Click to view Biz Online's profile Mogul Biz Online 71 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
4. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 2, 2008 10:51 PM
Since your comment is not a question, but a statement, I can only agree.
CSS is not SEO, period. CSS is cascading style sheets. Simply put, it is code that is NOT on the web page, making the page "lighter" and quicker to load on your internet browser. The code loads when a page is queried, or ask for, on your internet browser like Internet Explorer or Firefox.
CSS also lays out your web page rendering, like 2 column or 3 column layouts, and all of your font attributes like color, size, etc.

I completely agree with MTCreations comments!

Happy New Year!
Cliff
Click to view blueoryx's profile Professional blueoryx 7 posts since
Jan 4, 2008
5. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 4, 2008 2:26 PM
in response to: Biz Online
CSS is Good for SEO in one way. Less for the search engines to cache. Some engines will not index your site if the page is too big.

So for your sake, your future development's sake, and the search engines' sake...

Do not build sites 10 tables deep per page.

We use ure semantic markup here but there is nothing wrong with using ONE table as a container if need be.
Also we do not guarantee SE placement but we do guarantee 100% indexing. There is a difference ;)

The above comments about page size to search engine indexing is based on the SES Conference I attended in 2006.
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,455 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
6. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 9, 2008 3:08 PM
in response to: blueoryx
I would have to agree with previous posts from more experienced web developers.

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Click to view blueoryx's profile Professional blueoryx 7 posts since
Jan 4, 2008
7. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 9, 2008 3:12 PM
in response to: intechspecial
Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? because i have been developing websites since 1995, back in the days of HTML/JS and 56K modems. So i am confused as to who you are directly talking about?
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,455 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
8. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 9, 2008 3:14 PM
in response to: blueoryx
I am doing neither, just posting.

I do not feel that CSS is relevant to SEO completely.

CSS is a way of designing not Optimizing.
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,455 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
9. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 9, 2008 3:15 PM
in response to: intechspecial
I am sure you do great work as well, and I am willing to bet that I could learn alot from you.
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,455 posts since
Jan 6, 2008
10. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 9, 2008 3:17 PM
in response to: intechspecial
Please do not get me wrong, I value the network of talented professionals on this site
Click to view blueoryx's profile Professional blueoryx 7 posts since
Jan 4, 2008
11. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 9, 2008 3:30 PM
in response to: intechspecial
Don't you hate the fact you can't edit your posts here!

anyway, I agree it has very little to do if anything at all for ranking.

I was pointing out that for big pages it is a whole lot less code to be cached and some search engines will not cache/index pages over a certain K. So CSS allows you to add more for less K.

That is the only SEO benifit to CSS

example of a horrific site: www.gt-t.net

I am currently putting this into semantic markup and 508 Compliance and have decreased the page code size 75% (not exact math, but you get the point). I also got rid of the JS menus and replaced them with alistapart's suckerfish nav.

anyway, bad development = www.gt-t.net current table design.

good development and faster page loads = Full CSS!!!!
Click to view tokyov's profile Professional tokyov 13 posts since
Nov 28, 2007
12. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Jan 11, 2008 8:26 PM
in response to: MTCreations
MTCreations is absolutely right. It takes ALL of the above for SEO. CSS is a very BIG part of item. Of course, you must know what you're doing to leverage the magic in CSS and optimization. Anyone who claims that properly used CSS does not help your rankings doesn't know what he/she is talking about, and may be trying to rip you off. Any service that claims they can guarantee rankings or traffic is full of it. I would run fast from any "professional" who gives you this line. In addition, any service that claims you need to resubmit your site monthly is full of it. These people are trying to make money off of you. If your site is linked and properly coded, the spiders will find you and visit often. However, you have to be up to standard to fully leverage the hidden magic of CSS and know how to write CSS as well as XHTML/XML for true optimization. You can't just attach a stylesheet with a bunch a colors and think that will boost traffic & rankings.
Click to view intechspecial's profile Mogul intechspecial 1,455 posts since
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13. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Nov 9, 2008 11:37 PM
in response to: tokyov
I would have to agree with you on this one.
Click to view Mongoose's profile Mogul Mongoose 270 posts since
Nov 2, 2008
14. Re: CSS is not the SEO silver bullet... Nov 10, 2008 5:51 AM
Amazing post, and i'll agree that while CSS is not a 'silver bullet', it can be an integral part of a well-formed webpage. As you stated, Good SEO comes from many different facets of a website. Good content, good structure, and plenty of networked material makes the system run. I wrote an article on here about SEO, but i forgot to mention these three points in full detail. In an analogy, those who think CSS is your answer-all to SEO, that would be like putting up a skyscrapers framework but forgetting the interior.
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