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23 Replies Last post: Jan 7, 2008 2:20 PM by Iwrite

payday lenders

Jan 6, 2008 1:37 PM

Click to view rayandnay's profile Mogul rayandnay 53 posts since
Oct 22, 2007
why are there so many, are big banks behind the proliferation of these companies? it seems they keep in a position where you never qualify for a normal loan, only these type
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Click to view Lighthouse24's profile Mogul Lighthouse24 2,396 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
1. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 2:31 PM

There are so many payday lenders because it's a profitable enterprise. No, big banks are not directly behind their proliferation -- but because big banks must obey a more stringent set of federal regulations and follow a more conservative set of lending guidelines, it indirectly allows more private lending operations to exist and fill a consumer demand. Yes, I suppose you could say they are a "dealer" of sorts -- supplying their "junkies" with money instead of drugs, and keeping them "hooked." In 2006, the U.S. Department of Defense defined them as "predatory." Not only had they kept service members from qualifying for traditional loans, they had jeopardized security clearances and deployments, as well.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
2. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 2:34 PM
Payday lenders catrer to a certain financial and immigration status section of society. It meets a need that the big banks are not authorized by regulation to meet. Why would a large financial institution even WANT to expand to meet the need of a small demographic?

Banks are not in this business...google payday loans and see what comes up. Why would the government change the regulations to allow banks to engage in this activity?

Why are you blaming the banks? People are responsible for themselves and the choices they make with their money and finances.
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 7,935 posts since
Aug 6, 2007
3. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 2:43 PM
Follow the money. There are so many payday lenders because they make BIG PROFITS on short term loans.

A payday loan is a small, short-term loan
that is intended to cover a borrower's expenses until the next
payday. Typical loans are between $100 and $500, on a two-week term and
have interest rates in the range of 390 percent
to 900 percent (annualized).

You could make 400% on your money legally. Become a payday lender. LUCKIEST

Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
4. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 2:45 PM
in response to: LUCKIEST
900%. Unbelievable.
I am in the wrong business apparently.
I should be lending money lol.

CC08
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 7,935 posts since
Aug 6, 2007
5. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 3:42 PM
in response to: CorpCons08
CC08, Up to 900. Anytime you want to form a partnership, I am ready. How many partners?
LUCKIEST
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
6. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 3:55 PM
in response to: LUCKIEST
$500.00 at 900% would give you $4,500.00 by the end of the first year.
If I didn't have morals, this would sound like a good thing. lol.

CC08
Click to view rayandnay's profile Mogul rayandnay 53 posts since
Oct 22, 2007
7. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 6:10 PM
in response to: DomainDiva
nobody is blaming anyone, why is it someone raises a question about something in this country which is morally wrong you are either complaining or out of line. if i was in position to give my life for this country my most precious commodity i would be expected to do so without reservation yet i cannot get a loan for 5.00 because my credit score is to low, please explain that. believe me, before it is all said and done people like you will know what it is like to need a hand up only to be told get away from me, just remember you heard it from me.
Click to view rayandnay's profile Mogul rayandnay 53 posts since
Oct 22, 2007
8. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 6:11 PM
in response to: DomainDiva
nobody is blaming anyone, why is it someone raises a question about something in this country which is morally wrong you are either complaining or out of line. if i was in position to give my life for this country my most precious commodity i would be expected to do so without reservation yet i cannot get a loan for 5.00 because my credit score is to low, please explain that. believe me, before it is all said and done people like you will know what it is like to need a hand up only to be told get away from me, just remember you heard it from me.
Click to view LUCKIEST's profile SCORE LUCKIEST 7,935 posts since
Aug 6, 2007
9. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 6:20 PM
in response to: rayandnay
Ray, Why did you post two replies??
Where are you going with " nobody is blaming anyone, why is it someone raises a question about
something in this country which is morally wrong you are either
complaining or out of line"
Sounds you are campaigning or running for PRES.
LUCKIEST.
Click to view rayandnay's profile Mogul rayandnay 53 posts since
Oct 22, 2007
10. Re: payday lenders Jan 6, 2008 6:26 PM
in response to: LUCKIEST
because i have a right to, this is america right, don't be so sensitive
Click to view Ed O'Gee's profile Mogul Ed O'Gee 215 posts since
Oct 25, 2007
11. Re: payday lenders Jan 7, 2008 9:39 AM
in response to: rayandnay
Ray,

No need to get snippy. I understand what you mean about getting access to funds. However you can't blame a financial institution for not taking a risk on someone with a low credit score. Banks are in business to make money, just like everyone on this board who owns a business. I would not extend credit to someone whose history says that have a problem paying, so why should you ask a bank to do so?

People on this board are generally here to help, so there is no reason to get frustrated with anyone over an inability to qualify for a loan. You need to work on getting your credit SCORE higher, and there is a pretty good article on the site about life after bankruptcy which gives tips on how to raise a credit score, but it takes time.

For someone in your position, a loan might not be the right thing at this point. You likely will need an investor, who you feel comfortable sharing your idea and sharing profits with. There are VC's, Angel investors, all sorts of folks who would be willing to give you money to support a GOOD idea that could make them more money. But blaming banks or anyone else who won't give you a loan because of a low credit score is counter productive.
Click to view DomainDiva's profile Mogul DomainDiva 1,732 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
12. Re: payday lenders Jan 7, 2008 9:54 AM
in response to: rayandnay
SInce when is it morally wrong for a bank to NOT loan money to someone with a low credit score?

Yes this is America, land of the you need to get it going and do it yourself.
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
13. Re: payday lenders Jan 7, 2008 10:50 AM
in response to: DomainDiva
As DD and Ed have clearly stated, banks are nothing more than businesses. As a business, they have the right to do business with who they want or don't want to. They are regulated by the federal government only in that they provide fair practices among all people that walk into their facilities. Their lending does not bend for one person and not the other. They are following the same set of credit policies for everyone.

CC08
Click to view Iwrite's profile Mogul Iwrite 1,101 posts since
Dec 29, 2007
14. Re: payday lenders Jan 7, 2008 11:24 AM
in response to: CorpCons08
CorpCons. It has been proven that is not the case. Banks do lend at different rates for different people, despite credit scores being the same. Red-lining has been proven. We know this but choose to overlook it as long as it doesn't effect us. Lending practices have been called into question for years, the fact that no one cares doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

There was an article on the web about the lending pracitces for mortgages, and how even when things were equal African Americans get higher interest rates. All things being equal they are not.
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