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18 Replies Last post: Jan 8, 2008 5:12 AM by intechspecial

Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business?

Jul 21, 2007 9:39 PM

Click to view lovemyPYP's profile Founders lovemyPYP 3 posts since
Jul 21, 2007

There is a provider in my area that is offering a great price for VOIP services and I'd love to save money on my phone bill. Most of our interactions with customers is either in-person or online, so we don't have a lot of dependency on the phone system. I'm planning to try it for my personal phone line, but I'm still leary of leveraging this technology for our business. Does anyone have any suggestions (or warnings) for me?
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Click to view gmonkey's profile Founders gmonkey 15 posts since
Jul 21, 2007
1. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jul 22, 2007 1:12 AM
I use VOIP at home, and I do not have any problems with it...most of the time. The biggest issue is making sure that your internet service provider is reliable and that they have the bandwidth to accomodate both the voice and the data. I have had issues when my ISP goes down, and then guess what, I have NO PHONE. That is a bummer for the business.

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Click to view akgold's profile Founders akgold 51 posts since
Jul 19, 2007
2. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jul 22, 2007 2:35 PM
in response to: gmonkey
VOIP has come a long way and most people don't know it, but traditional telephone companies are using VOIP for traditional calls. With the advancements in technology, it is going to be the same thing so as long as you choose the right company with quality service, it should not be a problem.
Click to view buybigtires's profile Authority buybigtires 15 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
3. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Oct 10, 2007 11:48 AM
That depends on many things:

1. How many lines will be incoming?

2. What is the current upstream/downstream feed for your internet provider?

3.Does your router have QoS built in (Quality of Service)?

We are currently running VoIP in our office, using Vonage as a provider.

We originally had issues with the service, because our speed wasn't high enough.

We had less issues, but still had problems with our service, because our router didn't have QoS built in.

Now, we occasionally have problems, but not too many. If you do alot of international calling, or calling in general, then I think VoIP makes great sense for you. Just remember, no phones when the power goes out, and your 911 service changes. Oh, and 411 costs 5 bucks a call.

BTW, I run 3 seperate lines, plus a fax line. all for $500 a month, with extremely high call volume. That is with 300 a month ISP fees.
Click to view BDS INC's profile Founders BDS INC 131 posts since
Jul 20, 2007
4. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Oct 10, 2007 12:00 PM
in response to: buybigtires
VOIP is great for small business. I use a company called Packet 8 and I have two phone lines, a dedicated 800 number and a fax line. I haven't had any problems and I save $97.00 a month based on what I was paying Verizon.
Click to view vegatcgroup's profile Start-up vegatcgroup 1 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
5. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Oct 10, 2007 12:57 PM
VoIP has come a long way, but there is still that reliability issue. Also, don't forget, you are now using two service providers, an ISP and a VoIP company. There are a few companies such as Time Warner that are introducing VoIP, but most are not for business. They are residential services only.

Personally, I use ATT and DSL at my business and get everything for one price, under $100 a month. I also get unlimited long distance, a listing in the business phone book, and about 10 other services I really never use, in one package. The biggest issue I have had with VoIP, I did use Vonage for a time, was bandwidth through my ISP for conference calling. If you are doing a three way call and try to get on the internet at the same time, packets get mixed up and it sounds like your voice bounces, sometimes it would just cut out completely.
Click to view creditdata's profile Start-up creditdata 1 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
6. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Oct 10, 2007 1:03 PM
I used a voice over IP for some time on a larger scale we had 1 T-1 and then a back up T-1 for a fixed cost of 1100.00 a month we used a company called XO Communications we very seldom had any issues with down time. We saved alot of money over traditional phone services.
Click to view dedtees's profile Start-up dedtees 2 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
7. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Oct 10, 2007 1:06 PM

A few points about VOIP (I used to work and train at a major VOIP company).

1. If you put your VOIP enabled router first and have all of your computers/routers/etc run behind it, the QOS will be maintained. The VOIP enabled router will make sure the voice packets are sent and received before the downloads, helping your conversation, but slowing down your uploads/downloads (files, internet, etc).

2. Your ISP is extremely important. If they go down, you go down. However, there are services that some VOIP companies offer that send your phone calls to another line. When your device doesn't check in, it will automatically forward to another phone, such as your cell.

3. I use VOIP for my home and business service. I have an 800 number that forwards to my cell phone as well. When I am out of the office, I never miss a call (depending of course what area I am in for my cell service).

4. You can get voicemails as text or a wav file sent to your email with some VOIP companies.

Side note: You can get free 411 calls by using 1 800 GOOG-411
http://www.google.com/mobile/goog411/index.html

Hope this helps and if anyone wants to talk even more about VOIP and pick my brain I would be happy to discuss (I worked there for 3 years-before it become very big).

Thanks,
Eric Duchin
P:732-713-1848
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Click to view JiMan56's profile Start-up JiMan56 2 posts since
Jan 2, 2008
8. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jan 2, 2008 3:45 PM
Let's talk about reliability: There are very few systems that are "reliable" any more. Why? Since the break-up of AT&T, the entire industry has been on the track of "separating the network elements." A company will focus its efforts on one part of the network, be it the long haul fiber optic cable, the metro fiber rings, the connection from the street to the bldg, the "in-building" riser cable, and finally, the cable distribution plan within your own space. And of course, add on your communication devices to finish everything. In other words, the POTS of yester-year (Plain Old Telephone System) which had five 9s reliability (99.999% up time) is a distant memory. At 99.999%, you did not have service for an average of say, a few minutes per year. Nowadays, a system (remember- all in- and virtually no "provider" controls all the elements) rarely achieves four 9s (99.99%) let alone three 9s (99.9% up time). While these figures still sound good, the drop off is precipitous. At three 9s, the downtime is about 7 days/year. And don't think that it is 7 days in a row or 3 days here and 4 days there. It could be 7 days spread out over minutes or even seconds.

To answer your question: Yes, VoIP is excellent and works well. Part II: Try to make sure the VoIP controls (owns) as many of the network elements as the any other provider. Let's face it> we are now conditioned to losing a connection. Hey, if you don't carry several portable communication devices, you are asking for trouble....

More avail > just contact me...
Click to view stick2basics's profile Professional stick2basics 10 posts since
Dec 31, 2007
9. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jan 2, 2008 4:42 PM
VoIP is reliable taking into consideration all the things listed by other people. I personally like http://www.viatalk.com/. The have Free 411, Free second line.

Residential service is only $199 per month.

Here are some of the services vonage doesn't give you: Call Alarm
/ Wake-Up Call, Free 411 Directory Service, Voicemail Notification Via SMS Text Msg, Fax Service, Soft Phone
Access, Custom
Caller ID w/ Name, Operator
Services, Call
Broadcasting, Custom
Outgoing Voicemail Messages, and much more.

vtb_unlimited 1 month 3 month 6 month 12 month 24 month
U.S / Canada unlimited min. unlimited min. unlimited min. unlimited min. unlimited min.
Voicemail yes yes yes yes yes
Caller Id yes yes yes yes yes
Call Waiting yes yes yes yes yes
Caller Return yes yes yes yes yes
e911 support yes yes yes yes yes
Call Hunt yes yes yes yes yes
Do Not Disturb yes yes yes yes yes
Custom Call ID yes yes yes yes yes
411 Service free free free free free
Fax Line free free free free free
International rates vary rates vary rates vary rates
vary
*rates
vary*
Extra Minutes included included included included included
Plan Details $42.95/mo. $41.95/mo. $40.95/mo. $39.95/mo. $35.95/mo.

Click to view dedtees's profile Start-up dedtees 2 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
10. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jan 2, 2008 6:07 PM
in response to: stick2basics
Stick2basics,

Nice chart,but very overpriced service. Why wouldn't you go with a cable company that offers the triple play package or Vonage the leading VOIP provider? They both will have half the costs.

Is that a typo "Residential service is only $199 per month."?
Click to view CorpCons08's profile Mogul CorpCons08 1,128 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
11. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jan 2, 2008 6:17 PM
in response to: dedtees
I think that was supposed to be 19.99/mo.
Click to view moogrdotcom's profile Mogul moogrdotcom 82 posts since
Dec 16, 2007
12. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jan 2, 2008 6:22 PM
I use Voip and couldn't be happier. I pay 1.95/month per DID (number) and then 3.95 per toll free DID. I pay less than 1 cent a minute for domestic and about 1.8 cents a minute for toll free anywhere in the US.

DID's in Voip act like PRI's so you can have multiple channels incoming/outgoing and just pay for the minutes used. I purchased some grandstream voip phones, use voip software and have recently started to purchase cisco voip (sip) phones.

I use Asterisk hosted on my co-located server and it allows me to work from where ever i have internet. Pretty neat since i can setup conf calls, get my voicemails in email and get everything i need. I even run my faxes through asterisk/voip. Of course i have multiple providers setup and i have QoS enabled on my router and i use a v-lan to segregate the traffic as much as possible and made sure not to cheat myself on bandwidth. With the telco savings alone it was a no-brainer to upgrade our internet service at home and the office.
Click to view stick2basics's profile Professional stick2basics 10 posts since
Dec 31, 2007
13. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jan 2, 2008 7:24 PM
in response to: moogrdotcom
Yes, that's a per year charge.
Click to view JiMan56's profile Start-up JiMan56 2 posts since
Jan 2, 2008
14. Re: Is VOIP reliable enough for running a small business? Jan 3, 2008 6:22 AM
in response to: stick2basics
vonage leases their network elements- they have little control over QOS, and cannot- despite whatever they say, guarantee much better than 99.9, which is not very reliable. The costs also sound high. If you are thinking of this as an investment into your future or as an upgrading of your system, why bother? No soft phone? Come on.... Keep looking....
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