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Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

intechspecial — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:38:56 GMT

Oh and hey,

Welcome to the Network!

Mike

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

intechspecial — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:38:17 GMT

Thanks for the information.

Yes the Yahoo site builder, it is a great place to start for both designers and business owners.

You do not have to have HTML experience to use it.

I checked out your website, do you know that the Yahoo Site Builder has a ton of free templates?

Just an fyi.

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

felkinsworks — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:15:58 GMT

Yahoo has a free site builder program too. its great!

Most of the big corps hire AD firms like Ogilvy & Mather. this company used to promise 10% 50% uptick in sales or it was freeeeeeeee! or sometimes they paid their client money!

I studyed this company for awhile, They sale Ideas, there Ads are out there! This company sales YOU.

Like with anything.... its Ideas that sales, like music, art, etc. The same with Web sites!

Look at the yellow pages you see companys who can buy a full AD...... some companys only a name & number!

The bigger AD wins most of the time.

The internet you can now down load video about your company, etc.

Blogs are too big now ...so whats next? It might be your Idea that makes it big!

I saw a site in New York, great 3D site ...showed his 3D room, If you clicked on the window the curtains would open and you could see a 3D godzilla with fire ! it was kind of fake but coooool! he go millions of hits !!

You cannot be a just a programer anymore! you have to be an artist, develper of Ideas, 3D, CGI, art work, video works etc.
the goal is to bring customers to a website ...just having some picks and video are not enough.
you can make anything with Blender with out programming! nice. Or you can have some one program Blender for you!

I have been using blender 3D software its free... you can make real looking pics, video, complie it, convert it to flash if you like and put it on a website!

I have a way to get traffic to your site, lots of work, If your a small company you can do it your self, If you have a growing company then you will not have the time to to the work! hire me!

But when we get people to your site, if the site looks like, sonys web site boring ! or others like it. But sony has all the money too, so that doest matter for them.

Check out snickers web site the candy bar maker, boy I like that site, Nobody is going to tell you how to make a great site!

They keep there gold close to them.

There are alot of scams out there, I found a company that will make fake traffic to your site ! so you look good on the net!
but your wallet is empty ! Or you can pay per click , I heard some companys paid out as much as $100. per click, not per customer...per click! yaaa some people over sea's just clicking away at your site and split the money! fake people! nice!

Dream If I have investment money a golden angel, who would fund my company, I have a new Idea, that would bring traffic to your site or to your door NOW! chew on that ! If you got some money! call me. will talk. You have to sign some paper work.

dont give up!

If you need help let me know 916 821-7378

Mark A. Felkins

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

intechspecial — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:32:34 GMT

Thanks for your reply, it is encouraging.

Yes people are quite aware of my limits, the funny thing is that the more I do this, the less limits I have. My limitations are my mind, and my mind is allowed full creativity in what I do, yet I am always keeping the highest level of professionalism, and integrity, along with error free results. I expect in a short period of time, you will see an even bigger expansion on what I am doing, and contrary to prior belief, a man who is insane, can accomplish business results.

As far as programming I understand your frustration completely. I have a good base understanding in ASP.net, visual basic, ,php, any code out their I can give you a base of how it works, and resolve minor to medium problems.

The problem is basically as you describe it. I am currently working a project for someone based in Austrailia, for a whopping $6/hour.

To make matters worse, the only way I have been able to break into the market is through doing nothing but free work.

The great thing about this is that I have a hugh core group of supporter, that expand the width of the globe, and maybe even a few galaxies as well.

This has turned into a potentially bigger project which will lead to other even bigger projects.

My limitations on this end are next to null, since I do all my work from the comfort of my own home. I am on the computer doing this stuff anyways, up to 12 or more hours a day at times. So I have currently the ability to succeed without limitations.

To make things easier on myself, I have the ability to outsource some of my very own work to others. So let's say I am doing work that is comparable to the USA standard of $125/hour. Why would I charge this much if I can outsource to up to 10 developers that work better and faster then me? I just have to review what they are doing, and make sure before hand that they actually have a clue, through there portfolio and past work.

The great thing about what you are doing as a java programmer you can do the very same thing. You just need some good sales and marketing tactics.

My way of doing business, has just caused it to potentially burst at the seams, and I might need more professionals working under me that I can trust and I am confident in their abilities.

So your rate and are of expertiese will allow you much success, you just have to know how to apply your abilities to make them work.

As far as selling t-shirts and such, why would I want to step into using a magic marker, when I have a scientific calculator at my fingertips?

Please feel free to contact me, but you must understand my organization is based on volunteerism, period.

Thanks for your post, and please sit back and enjoy the ride, as it is getting to be quite a enjoyable one at that.

Mike
(inTech "SPECIAL")

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

felkinsworks — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:07:56 GMT

You should write some ebooks. and sell them on amazon.com . free to sign up ... 50% split. you can make your ebooks about your mental problems. might help others. Plus you can write, so take a break then do some more writing. I know some programers out thier making less than me! poor . I have a freind who started making his music on line he works for the State of CA anyway ... after 3 years he now only makes about around $89,000 thosand a year working part time making music.

I have another friend who cannot sell his music on line for free. and I think his music is better than the guy above?

I met a metally retarded guy, he came into a bar one day here in Sacramento CA, he was leaglly retarded. he had a house two brand new dodge trucks. loaded! He bought ever one in the bar a drink and had two women following him around!

So i asked if he would teach me his skills.! I said i would work for free. ! so I worked for him.
Now he cleans windows, so I went with him, we cleaned A nice rich house $900,000 !

But when it came time to pay, He asked for $350.00 for one 8 hour day! not bad... But the home owner said " NO" "We need to pay you right," the home owner gave him $100 more so he made $450.00 not bad for one days work.
I could not belive it!

I clean the windows better, The above guy did not even know how to clean the windows etc ... but because the home owners felt bad for the retarded guy they gave him more! and re-rehired him again next year!

That guy inspired me to get out there and work harder!

I have had a long hard trip too, my first was to learn Java programming, Just as i am able to program a little, peoples over seas could program faster, cheaaaaaaaaaper than me! some of those programers are only makeing $7.00per hour!
So to compete I need to program better. But found a compay here in Folsom CA, They fly in prohramers from INDIA and pay them about $15 per h to $35, but thiose programers works as a team, so thay can program alot really fast! amazing ! you have 10 people programing on one project, they can but up a whole web site faster than anyone I have ever seen!

So how can you compete?

Now I am trying to learn and make 3D moives I am using Blender a free software, my goal now it to make cool 3D stuff
and load it on a website to create new traffic, for the customer. the better the Idea, the more peole will see it, and more sales for the customer. I found out it's been a log hard work. I am still learning ..but getting better. The next to hit the web will be web TV
were you can have your own channel, boy thats cool, my goal is to make 3D movies and put them fro free on the internet and hope people will like them!

If you can make the best web movie you can attract people to your site then $$$ they buy from you or from your clients site.
I just read about a guy who worked for micrsoft then letf to work for google ...now makes good $$$ saling his tee shirts on line!
like from meta cafe or zazzle.com

I Hope i will have my site fixed up by next week check it out then.

Mark Felkins

PS its always good to tell people inadvanced about your limits.

If you want a good laugh see me at youtube seach under stray cat the vent fair oaks cal see my videos!

thanks and good luck!

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

intechspecial — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:25:00 GMT

Yes I agree completely. I did not go completely into details.

Another way to look at this is to think of terms of the "stand alone html designer".

To stay competitive you must have more then JUST html skills.

You have to be multi-faceted or high end at at least on main skill.

A designer must know CSS as you mentioned, but they also must understand how HTML and CSS fit in with a complete web application. You can no longer just understand the front end of development, you need to at the very least understand how the front end of HTML/CSS works out with the Back End- Server loaded code.

As far as tables, you are completey correct in your uderstanding of Tables from a "designer" point of view. Tables were made as a way to display server-side data with relative ease. Designers took this idea and would use it as a way to make complete statically loaded websites.

Tables do have their us today as well, as it is still the industry accepted method for displaying the backend server loaded code that is attached to a database, it is not possilbe to do otherwise. CSS is for the display of the "front end" of an interface, and has no relevance on the "back end" server loaded code. Take for example this site, the SBOC. Yes it is based in "tableless CSS" design. This is only referenicing the HTML and not the Dynamically loaded Java Server Page development. The dynamically loaded code is generated from a database formatted dependent on the users request or other information.

Let me try and explain a little simpler.
Go to this site: www.intechspecial.com Click on a tab at the top. Click the same tab at the top. The result is? The same exact page no matter how many times you click.
Now go to this site: www.freeits.net Click on a link at the top. Click on the same link. The result is? A different banner every time you click on the page.

www.intechspecial.com is a statically loaded html website. It is also a template.
www.freeits.net is a fully functional web application. Although its user interaction is limited it still makes a "server round trip" every time you click on a link.

The html page does not. Once you load it into your browser, it stays in your browser, via a temp file.

CSS of course should be the only method used for a static-loaded html website.

I cannot say that I disagree or agree with your views of Silverlight. The 2008 Olympics Utilized silverlight to stream video. Adobe is still the current standard. Time will answer this question. The idea behind referencing Silverlight is that a "basic css html" website will soon be a thing of the past, and their will be practically no ned for someone who is only an HTML expert. CSS designers must understand more then just CSS to continue to be successful.

Now for the comment on Expression to Dreamweaver. This is like comparing Apples to Oranges.
Dreamweaver is not just an "html editor" but it allows for more functionality for developers who focus on more then just html. It has vast support within Java, PHP, and more specifically works quite nicely with other Adobe Products. For someone who does not need to just design a "static html" website it is the standard and not the exception.

Now bring in Expression Web, which is the "upgrade" from Front Page. It is the upgrade with one key exception. It can easily be used within a team develoment environment. You will have your development team with Microsoft's Team Visual Studio. You then have your design team working with Microsoft's Expression web, which can easily render ASP.net pages. At the same time, you have designers working with Expression Blend, and more then likely Adobe Photoshop for graphics. You will also have your Database team working with a SQL database so. Finally you have team working on IIS 7 and security. This is not exactly how it works, but only the simplified version.

For an individual who is a "hobbyist" expression web is the best solution, as its core focus is HTML/CSS front end code. Easier to use and learn interface, and cost alot less then the current dreamweaver. Dreamweaver works best if your focus for development will be with .php and MySQL.

If you take a look at www.freeits.net, it was developed using the following tools: Visual Studio 2008(Visual Basic), Expression Web(HTML,CSS), Expression Design(Custom Graphics), SQL Server, XML, other Data Sources(Visual Basic programming finds appropriate code and formats it with the appropriate html/css and sends it to the browser), IIS v7(security, and .net framework), and a few other sever side, and client side scripts, and/or code.

So from a basic understanding you are completely correct in your views and opinion.

From an understanding of where technology is going as well as the internet, you need to dig a little bit deeper into the "recipe" to completely understand.

Michael Stratton, MCSA, MCP, MCNPS, A+, Server+ Net+
Volunteer & Disabled Web Developer/Designer
President, Integrity Technology Specialists

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

NuevolutionWD — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:20:51 GMT

Intechspecial,
I don't think that the Web Design Industry is in trouble because of a simple WYSIWYG editor or because someone offers free templates. Remember, technology is changing every day and if you stay competitive in the web design industry you will succeed. Being Competitive means, changing your coding methodologies as fast as the industry changes. For example, lots of designers still use tables as their tool of choice to build web sites and other developers like myself prefer to work in a FULL CSS table-less architecture.

I think that the only way a company will suffer is if they don't care to change. As for the silverlight comment.. I don't think silverlight is going to stand the test of time... Adobe has been in the Industry for years and most designers are more familiar with Adobe that with MS Silverlight.

Just like with Microsoft expressions... More people prefer Dreamweaver over Expressions...

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

intechspecial — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:17:11 GMT

As a way of combating Microsoft's Silverlight, adobe seems to have made some well thought out ideas to their products.

Silverlight may be the wave of the future, but Adobe is still the wave of today.

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

Iwrite — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:15:02 GMT

Lighthouse has given you a great suggestion for how to make a difference. How is that bad?

Re: Trouble for Web Design Companies

intechspecial — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:13:01 GMT

Another thing that I have noticed in the changes of the industry is the change of technology advances.

Microsoft offers a new implementation, called silverlight, and is a great competitior to Adobe's flash.

It will take time before Silverlight is completely propogated through the internet, but when it does, the results will be completely unbelievable.

The 2008 olympics utilized Silverlight Streaming.

The internet is changing faster then we realize, and the new face of the internet is going to allow much more interactivity and a much more stunning grahpical enhancements.

What will your web design company do to adapt to these changes?